The one particular person who has been let off the hook in this whole bloody mess

[Raven]

is George W. Bush. Even Obama treads lightly. None of this is Obama's doing, none of it. We all should make a point of reminding folks constantly that George W. Bush is responsible for this, completely. We can criticize Obama all we want but we have to keep reminding this country and the world that George W. Bush and his thugs brought us here. I do this every day and people don't like to hear it but they have to and they can't fight this truth. George W. Bush got us here and he's sitting back laughing and loving Obama's pain. I hate the thought.

[graywarrior]

1. Thank you!

[Maccagirl]

2. It's a real shame that people do have to keep being reminded

of the core truth. Thank you.

[ShortnFiery]

3. No, it is up to President Obama's AG Eric Holder to INVESTIGATE the former Administration.

I don't cut them any slack when they're seemingly complicit. :thumbsdown:

[Raven]

6. This is my point:: don't cut Obama any slack but don't let the

other guy off the hook. We need to keep a drumbeat going. We need to keep GWB front and center in this. We can do both.

[okieinpain]

39. i think that is fair. n/t.

[PBS Poll-435]

14. Isn't Holder going to bring 9/11 suspects to NYC for trial?

Sounds like a pretty important step to me.

:shrug:

[Zodiak]

28. As each day passes, even more damning info comes out

Seriously, these guys (Bushco.) are SCREAMING for investigation. They even have the nerve to inject themselves current politics, poisoning the well.

To leave them alone is extremely worrisome on many levels.

[Oregone]

4. "George W. Bush is responsible for this"

Along with the American people who elected the fuck into office twice and marched lockstep to the beat of the war drum

[verges]

33. It's been my understanding

that he was never really elected. I seem to recall hearing that he stole both the 2000 and 2004 elections.

[Oregone]

34. When I use to coach kids, I often had to remark...

"You never leave it up to the ref"

Shame on them for even letting it be a nail bitter.

But hey, if it makes you feel better, go ahead and believe youre all free from guilt.

[vaberella]

5. On this site...they suffer from Alzheimer's. What does that mean?

It's always going to be Obama's fault. All of it.

[niyad]

7. and yet, obama refuses to allow any investigation into our national nightmare.

[Raven]

10. My point again: forget Obama, he may be history in 3 years, keep

the focus on the dirty warmonger fratboy.

[valerief]

13. Right, and he perpetuates the horror of war. nt

[DonkeyHoTay]

29. "We have seen the enemy and he is us" Will it come to that?

Does it have to be our war now? Is this to be our legacy for the history books?

[valerief]

31. I'm not claiming this war!!!! nt

[xchrom]

8. obama's pain? -- obama's pain?

what about the pain of losing your children to a fruitless endeavor?

this isn't about obama -- it's about A politician doing the right thing for his/her fellow citizens.

or not doing the right thing and not having to pay any of the ultimate sacrifices.

[Oregone]

15. Or the pain of losing your children to a Predator drone strike?

[Raven]

16. Right now, I'm not arguing the war issue. I am just suggesting that

GWB should be mentioned constantly in the public discourse no matter what side you are on. Otherwise Bush benefits.

[BeFree]

20. Sure thing

And Obama should lead the way. As it is he seems afraid to lay the blame for all this on Bush. He should remind people every chance he gets that he is cleaning up a mess left by Bush. Call the little pecker head out.

[Raven]

21. I think that somehow Obama's people have decided against that

for whatever reason...political, I suspect. But we can be a chorus.

[HopeOverFear]

40. In the email that I got from VP Biden

he definately places the blame for all this on the Bush admin:

Last night, President Obama laid out his plan to defend our national interest by refocusing our efforts on three clear goals: defeating al Qaeda, stabilizing Pakistan, and breaking the Taliban's momentum in Afghanistan.

To achieve these goals, the President has authorized the rapid deployment of 30,000 more troops in Afghanistan, with a firm commitment to begin bringing our troops home in 2011.

It's a clean break from the failed Afghanistan policy of the Bush administration, and a new, focused strategy that can succeed.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

44. I hear the awareness that bushco made the mess in O's speeches

seems clear to me, just understated...maybe to sidestep the Flying Monkeys Media's obsession with statements they can spin and scandalize to favor corporopukes?

[BeFree]

51. That's Great

Thanks for that bit of news.

Lets hope they keep it up. The M$M may actually begin to repeat it someday.

And people who say this is Obama's war can go fly a kite. Screw that.

[treestar]

47. Way to miss the point

Bush didn't suffer any pain over it. George W. Bush. the President who started the war - and presided over 8 years of it. You're supposed to be reminded of George W. Bush. Remember George W. Bush?

George W. Bush didn't feel pain, even for putting others in that situation. George W. Bush made no sacrifices. George W. Bush was willing to risk others' lives in a fruitless endeavor (though a huge % of the country supported him in doing so at the time he started it).

George W. Bush tried to scare us into thinking we had to kill people in Afghanistan or they would kill us. George W. Bush then abandoned that "just war" to start an invasion of Iraq.

[Richardo]

9. Excellent observation.

Thank you, K&R :kick:

[Clio the Leo]

11. I'm trying!

And I cannot TELL you how ANGRY I am at the last admin for allowing us to become complacent on what al qaeda is capable of. Sad, very sad.

[Bluerthanblue]

12. an important reminder-

thank you for posting this.

[femrap]

17. Then why isn't this

administration going after W for war crimes? Hell, just Fraud.

[Raven]

19. I am not going to rely on this Administration or any administration...

I am going to rely on my own voice, everyday, everytime I get the opportunity.

[treestar]

48. When the economy is so bad why do they have to do that

It's hard to prove and would take up a lot of energy. Also a lot of it is politics.

This country supported George W. Bush when he started the Afghan war to a high degree. George W. Bush can't be prosecuted for starting that war. It was his WMD issue that was possibly criminal.

[hlthe2b]

18. GWB* for sure... along with the inc redibly incompetent Rice woman

Many others-- but these two need to have their time in the public shame spotlight....

[Gregorian]

22. Democrats will always be on the defensive. A very difficult position.

It's the sad truth about conservatives. Rush Limbaugh needed to be put in his place, along with all of the other dimbulbs who criticized Obama for doing what they'd have drooled praise over Bush for doing. Actually, it wasn't the same. But it shared similarities which should have made conservatives happy. I think if Obama had a fake accent and an arrogant swagger he might actually get a good word from the Gasbag himself.

We're dealing with a piece of the human race that is dysfunctional. They can't seem to see very far past image. And we don't do image. So I agree with what you say, but I doubt there is a thing we can to do make progress for our causes without their friction. We just have to fight harder, and win. Unfortunately, Congress is half political body, half men's club. Even when they hate each other they act as if they are right honorable friends. I think it's another half century before the younger generation sits in Congress and does what we want right now.

It's all Bush's damage that we're cleaning up.

[Raven]

24. People without a conscience always do better in a fight because

they don't give a shit and they fight dirty. The Democrats have yet to learn this and in some ways I love them for that. If you step back and look at the DU forums, we spend much more time on Obama's failings (not that it's not justified) and in the meelee, we forget Bush. That gives him a pass.

[KoKo]

55. Why is it that DEMOCRATS are not PROUD to BE DEMOCRATS?

Why are we always slinking in the shadows like whipped dogs? Why are we always content and even GRATEFUL for the SCRAPS thrown our way by our Masters..of our Dem Party and even now the Republican Party?

Why is this? :shrug: Do we have "Battered Spouse Syndrome?" If so...where is the therapy for this disorder for us? I thought Dems hired George Lakoff to do "FRAMING SESSIONS" for the Party back after Kerry lost. What happened? Do we need more intensive therapy? Or a GRAND DEPRESSION to pull us out? Always looking for Bail Outs? So we don't have to ever STAND ON OUR OWN PARTY'S PRINCIPLES?

What ARE those PRINCIPLES? :shrug:

[Rhiannon12866]

23. K&R. Thanks for the reminder...

Now we just have to get you on the national news. ;)

[Raven]

25. Oh my dear Jesus! That would sink us for good! :-)

[Rhiannon12866]

26. Hey, you'd do better than 90% of those who are out there...

At least you're armed with the facts. :hi:

[AlphaCentauri]

27. I'm not falling for the obvious, I expect more than a hint

President Obama needs to denounce the previous administration in public that would give him real support from the people of the devastated country.

[TankLV]

30. That is too true...

but just like LBJ - this is OBAMA'S WAR now...

[rwheeler31]

32. Republicans searched for a sociopath and they got one.

He was a good Christian man. They take no responsibility for any thing and always blame others. Someday Bush will have to stand up and be a human.

[JoeyT]

35. I don't think most of us are the ones that need reminding.

I think most of us bitch about Obama on here because we're among fellow Democrats. We feel we *can* bitch about him here.
We feel less need to speak of El Busho because it kind of goes without saying that we think he should have been crucified by the next administration. Unfortunately, the decision to not prosecute does make the Obama administration complicit in his crimes. While that isn't the same as actually committing the crime, it is protecting the people that did commit it. It also encourages future criminals.

For every time anyone has seen me complain about Obama on this board, I've probably defended him 50 or more times in person.
For every time I've griped about him on this board I've screamed bloody murder about Bush the Lesser thousands of times.
I imagine lots of the other people that are accused of being haters are similar.
I realize you're not calling anyone haters or anything of the sort. I'm just saying that we know it all ties back to Bush. ;)

[Raven]

36. When I posted this I wasn't thinking about DUers...God knows

we'll never let GWB rest! I was referring to the conversations we have with friends and co-workers. It's there that we need to keep GWB front and center.

[sofa king]

37. Bush is just the train conductor. The GOP are the engineers.

If anyone knows exactly how stupid, narcissistic, and malevolent George Bush is, it's the leadership of the Republican party. They were the people who selected him, they were the ones who built a "unitary executive" run from the Vice President's--rather than the President's--office. They were the ones who stole two general elections, and they were the ones who backed Dick Cheney's plan to start a war as soon as possible.

George Bush didn't do any of those things, and aside from picking particular bullet points from a fanciful list of options, he likely had no role whatsoever in their conception.

I think Bush was chosen specifically because he was an empty suit: stupid, and therefore easily deceived; narcissistic, and therefore easily manipulated; malevolent, and therefore on the same page as his handlers. Whatever that fool thinks he did or didn't do matters not at all. We were screwed over by a political ideology that treats the American people as a resource to be mined, cropped, sheared, herded, and ultimately culled. It was the ideology that ruined us (by capitalizing on our ignorance, fear and apathy), not the banana Republican in the codpiece.

[mdmc]

38. And we can blame W. on Ralph Nader

so it is really Nader's fault..

[felinetta]

41. Bush has had somebody clean up his messes since the day he was born. This is just the latest one.

[Whisp]

42. awful tough spot for Obama to be in

tough spot that that high functioning moran Bush left him and us in.

I don't like the idea of war or escalation at all. No matter who is president or when. Its an automatic kneejerk response from me of No.

But no matter what Obama does he will catch it.
What if he took all the troops out right now and there was another attack on the US that stemmed from there? He would be crucified.
and that pile of human waste that calls himself George sits comfy in some Dallas cocktail lounge heh heh heh-ing.

[Nothing Without Hope]

43. and also Cheney and Rumsfeld and many other war criminals. BUT...

they were acting to maximize profits for their corporate backers. Obama has CHOSEN to continue the war they started. Would he be doing so without the Afghan oil pipeline?

[Blue Owl]

45. The entire foundation for GWB's "wars" are based on lies and fabrications.

That's what I wish Obama would address.

Just reject it, Mr. President.

George W. Bu$h was a lazy, incurious "C" student, and Barack Obama was a sharp, intelligent "A" student.

Why has the "C" student planned and set the tone for this war?

And why would the "A" student continue onward with this ill-conceived plan?

All the thinking and pondering and deliberating over troop levels is meaningless when you realize this war is just a neocon war profiteering fantasy come true.

[earth mom]

46. It's Obama's War now. They are both warmongers with blood on their hands. nt

[ClarkUSA]

53. Thanks for the RNC talking point.

:eyes:

[opihimoimoi]

49. Yes It is Bushies WAR....nothing can change this...They have fucked it all up..as in FUBAR

and now escape into obscurity??? No, You are right...never let go of the TRUTH

[Raven]

50. I wonder what would happen if there was a 24/7 picket of his house.

One solitary person walking up and down the street in front of his house with a sign...day after day...it might drive him over the edge. We could all do shifts. Would that be considered loitering? Maybe we could do "Bush is responsible" bus tours like the Holywood tours of the stars' homes. :-)

[opihimoimoi]

57. We could do a cyber HALL OF SHAME...the W Bush Exhibit would a major feature

[Fire1]

52. Absolutely! K&R

[KoKo]

54. Why does he do this? Even his surrogates on the Cables can't cough up the

George Bush fur ball.

Is it all about "Getting Along?"

[tavalon]

56. He's not the only one sleeping pretty

His whole cabinet and the guy who pretended to be vice President.

[Canuckistanian]

58. Hey, he was the previous president, wasn't he?

And he STARTED this whole thing, right?

I haven't heard his name mentioned in the media lately. It probably slipped their minds.

[frylock]

59. word up

knr