At Last! These Two Wars Finally Do Make Sense To Me. I've Come to My Senses.

[David Zephyr]

Fighting the Taliban
Inside of Afghanistan
To Save Pakistan

Is sensible. You know, like

Making war with Iraq
After the 9/11 attack
By jets the Saudis hijacked.

[avaistheone1]

1. Thanks for explaining it to me.

Best explanation yet that this escalation is insane.

[Name removed]

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[FarLeftFist]

3. Choice A seems to make more sense than Choice B

[IndianaGreen]

4. Here is McChrystal's plan to win the war in Afghanistan

as shown on Rachel Maddow show tonight:

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/Afghanistan_Dynamic_Planning.pdf

[Oregone]

5. The reality is that Pakistan is a major problem to the entire world

Despite the war next door (or because of it), the situation seems to be worse and worse there. Is fighting the war in Afghanistan and striking into Pakistan, while demanding Pakistan's help (with a money carrot), really how to stabilize Pakistan though? It may just be polarizing their population.

I don't get it. Im not sure how the current Afghan strategy is conducive to the situation in Pakistan at all

[BeFree]

6. Its not

The Taliban have been run off into Pakistan by our troops.
But we've been giving the Paks billions of dollars all along.

Since Paks have nukes (delivered, it has been said, by Cheney/Halliburton) and the Taliban would love to get their hands on those nukes (Kerry has stated as much) that scenario is a problem for everyone including India.

So the first problem is that Pak has nukes, second Pak is unstable, third the Taliban are in Pak and we are pushing them there.

Our invasion of Afghan has caused problems for Pak, that's why we've been sending them billions.

[David Zephyr]

10. You are confusing al-Qaeda with the Taliban who have not "been run off into Pakistan".

The Taliban controls entire regions of Afghanistan, BeFree.

It is al-Qaeda that was run off into Pakistan...all one hundred of them.

And our troops did not run al-Qaeda off into Pakistan, Bush and Rumsfeld allowed them to leave/escape.

[BeFree]

13. Hmmm

read this and get back to me:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7148915&mesg_id=7148915

It explains how the Taliban are in Pakistan. Remember, there are just 100 AQ left?

David, you need to get some education before you go spouting off.

[David Zephyr]

14. Of course the Taliban is in Pakistan. They've been there.

I didn't say they were not there, so don't say that I said something I didn't and then pretend to "correct" something I didn't say.

You wrote incorrectly that "The Taliban have been run off into Pakistan by our troops."

That's not true. They are still in Afghanistan.

[BeFree]

16. well we're both right

I took it to mean you thought there were no taliban in Pak. There have always been Taliban and AQ in Pak. Many Taliban have been run off from Afghan into Pak. Oh course there are still Taliban in Pak, but you took it to mean I said ALL Taliban had been runoff.

It's pretty clear now, methinks.

[David Zephyr]

17. We're cool.

I don't get to spank you, though. LOL.

Obama clearly has inherited a mess domestically and abroad.

My issue with him is primarily the Cabinet that he chose and the other advisors, like Tom Daschle for example)that he surrounds himself with, who have his ear...which guides his decision making.

Garbage in, garbage out.

It's time for Rahm and the two Goldman-Sachs boys and Gates to leave now. They side tracked Obama all year long from the issue that is going to cost him his Democratic Congress: creating jobs.

[JVS]

7. Hmmm. The words are unconvincing, but the map seals it.

[boppers]

9. I am reminded of many a corporate presentation.

Neither the words, or diagrams, make sense, even when put together, but there is an expectation of synthesis.

[Zodiak]

11. That graph is no longer valid

Seeing as the number of pirates has gone up considerably in the last 8 years.

Of course, (as was your point), it was never "valid" in the first place.

[boppers]

19. Somali pirates do not wear appropriate headgear.

Nor do they say "ARR!" at appropriate times.

Thus, not real pirates.

[LooseWilly]

21. Are they the al Qa'eda Navy then?

Yarr?

[boppers]

23. My intestines hurt from laughing.

I bow, with a flourish, in your general direction.

[Hatchling]

8. Ohhh.

Gotcha.

[reggie the dog]

12. the pipeline story is like 2001 old

but it does explain a lot.

[HughMoran]

15. It's a classic

it never gets old...

[David Zephyr]

18. "It never gets old" because it still won't go away.

It's the lure, the siren song that still has the uber rich and policy makers in China, India, Pakistan, the U.S., Great Britain all tugging at their zippers with anticipation.

[KakistocracyHater]

20. kill the war

*

[jeanpalmer]

22. This is what Jim Jones was talking about when he said

"We are not leaving the region. We have enormous strategic interest in Afghanistan, east of Afghanistan in Pakistan and we intend to be supportive and helpful partners with them for many years to come." I doubt he was referring to the Taliban.

[jeanpalmer]

24. Based on reports

the majority of the new troops will be going to Helmad province -- the one that that red line runs right through the iddle of. The areas to the north of Helmand are not considered hostile. Meanwhile, troops are being withdrawn from the mountainous eastern border where the red line does not cross. :shrug: