Chris, you are a dip shit...

[WCGreen]

Of course senator Obama probably would have voted against his own bill. That's a given. But Chris, being a senator is not the same a being president. A president has different constitutional responsibilities than the president.

Being president, you are responsible for the defense of the country so the person in that position has to weigh a whole mess of other factors than just the parochial concerns of a senator.

[bigjohn16]

1. It's an inconvenient truth isn't it. nt

[graywarrior]

2. I am so happy I do not watch Hardball anymore

[Clio the Leo]

3. Which bill? NT

[WCGreen]

12. Sorry, expansion of the troop level in Afganistan...

I don't believe there has to be a bill, but it will be a line item in the military budget.

[Clio the Leo]

13. Senator Obama would have voted for an appropriations bill for THIS war.....

... I believe. He was ALWAYS for returning the focus back to Afghanistan. When he was, in an RFK-esque manner, denouncing Iraq as State Senator in Chicago in 2002, he did so saying that we needed to finish the fight in Afghanistan.

So I think as a US Senator, he would have voted in favor of an appropriations bill for Afghanistan. Pity Bush never gave him the chance.

[Pirate Smile]

21. He's talking about Tweety. Tweety doesn't get confused by facts when he has a set point he wants to

push.

Last night I believe the point being pushed was - "Dems thought Obama was anti-war - both Iraq and Afghanistan - even though he was never against the Afghan War and actually campaigned on returning focus and increasing troops in Afghanistan but Dem voters are stupid and don't pick up on little details like that". You want to throw your remote through the TV but you don't :).

I'd say most Dem voters knew Obama's actual Afghanistan policy generally but that doesn't mean they necessarily agreed although I'd say over at least half did. This has been the policy of almost all Democrats in office since 2003 - the focus on Iraq has damaged our effort in Afghanistan and we need to focus more there - a lot of Dems now don't think Afghanistan is winnable based on how its deteriorated.

He turns arguments into caricatures and makes the groups involved into idiots.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

4. It takes quite a lot of skill to understand in the here and now...

To grasp just what the differences are between the role of Senator and President. And how those differences play out in the day-to-day workings of the government.

Besides, you are not a dipshit.

K&R

:P

[CTyankee]

5. The fact is that sending more troops in under Bush is qualitatively and

quantitatively different that what is happening with Obama and his administration.

What about this is so difficult to understand?

[DJ13]

6. A president has different constitutional responsibilities

True, but we voted for the guy based on how he voted in the Senate, so he has a point.

Much of our problems with sitting Presidents seems to stem from them suddenly making decisions that the person they were before winning the office would be opposed to.

Its like a bait and switch.

[impik]

7. Actually, senator Obama was very much in favor of

the war in Afghanistan. So was candidate Obama.

[geckosfeet]

8. A president has different constitutional responsibilities than the president. ?

We know what you meant but,,,

[Captain Hilts]

9. He might not have voted against this bill. He voted 'for' the Patriot Act, etc. nt

[choie]

15. Oh Captain Hilts,

why bother with such facts? :sarcasm:

[Cha]

18. Excuse me, I for one welcome facts around here.

[Cha]

17. That's right and so did Hillary.

http://www.factcheck.org/article416.html

[Captain Hilts]

19. She did vote against it, but she and Obama were under very different pressures, so the

comparison isn't fair to Obama.

But he very well might have voted to increase troops in Afghanistan. His statements suggest that might be the case.

[Cha]

20. I don't understand why you're saying she voted against it

when the evidence states she voted for it.

"Republican challenger John Spencer falsely claims she opposes the Patriot Act, which she voted for twice.

John Spencer says Hillary Clinton "opposes the Patriot Act" when in fact she voted for the law in 2001 and again in 2006 when it was renewed."

http://www.factcheck.org/article416.html

[Captain Hilts]

22. FISA. I'm thinking about FISA. Clinton and Obama are two peas in a pod on these issues.

There is no difference between their views, just their circumstances.

He's no more progressive than she, to my great regret. That's why I supported Clark. As a former military man, he wouldn't have to "prove" himself on these issues as Obama and Clinton do. It's very tiring.

[Cha]

23. I'm dealing in the reality we have and I

appreciate what we do have ..not what coulda, shoulda, woulda.

[damntexdem]

10. Hey, no need to insult dip shits with this comparison.

Tweety is just Tweety, and that seems to be incurable.

[Hansel]

11. Clearly Chris wasn't really listening when that tingle went up his leg.

Now I wonder how he got that tingle.

Obama was always for the Afghanistan War and got loud cheers at his rallies when he said he wants to refocus on it. How did Chris miss that?

[Top Cat]

14. I am so sick of those motherfuckers... It is totally shameful

[Cha]

16. Tweety sometimes..okay a lot of times..

sounds like he doesn't get the hang of things.