The GOP "Born Again Deficit Haters" are pissing me off!

[KansasVoter]

Boehner was again spouting off about the deficit yesterday.

Amazing these idiots were 100% ok with Ronnies deficit and OK with the Bush crime family running up the deficit but all of the sudden are worried about the "debt left for our children" now that Obama is running the show!

The party of NO is going to be pissed about the good numbers coming out today. So expect more gloom and doom about good numbers from them.

They are really going to struggle in 2010 and 2012 if the economy is making a comeback!

[KansDem]

1. They would put chameleons to shame.

I wish I could change color as quickly as Republicans can change "political philosophies."

[Tippy]

2. Excellent discription...KansDem....n/t

[Rosa Luxemburg]

3. It should be known as the BUSH DEFICIT

whenever anyone says deficit they say Bush

[uponit7771]

6. ...yeap, that would stop their stuipd shit in it's tracks

[Rosa Luxemburg]

19. every democrat needs to day the Bush deficit

[treestar]

4. Republican hypocrisy

is always to be expected!

[old mark]

18. Republican" and "Hypocrisy" = two ways of saying the same thing...nt

[uponit7771]

5. The media ALLOWING them to be is even worse...

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

7. Yeah I thought that St Ronnie taught us that "Deficits don't matter." nt

[quiet.american]

8. Amen, Kansas. nt

[Nuclear Unicorn]

9. We shouldn't tolerate any deficits from eiother party.

Let's face facts: the only people Pelosi and Reid are a boon for are the teabaggers who will tap popular outrage over deficits to give the congress back to the GOP.

It's not like their deficits have helped stop unemployment and its being used as an excuse to halt healthcare reform and cap-and-trade.

The president needs to rein them in.

[emulatorloo]

12. Wingnuts like demonizing Pelosi and Reid, I doubt there is any real logic behind it

RNC does a lot of fundraising appeals talking about how evil they are.

It is just a knee jerk reaction.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

14. But we do have enormous deficits and they do write the budgets

We're cutting our own throats if we ignore/dismiss that fact.

It may be a knee-jerk--and hypocritical--reaction from the right the fact also remains there are jerks reacting to this.

[emulatorloo]

16. It is my understanding that the Obama budget will reduce the deficit over time

The republicans are being very disingenuous -- they only talk about the short term and how things like HCR will lower the deficit in the longterm. They conveniently forget they were the reason for the deficits in the first place. Additionally they ignore that the costs of Iraq and Afghanistan were being hidden under Bush before Obama insisted that they be included in all calculations.

So I think it is a little premature to blame Pelosi and Reid.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

17. Oh, I absolutely understand...AND AGREE

...but with Reid and Pelosi's deficits hanging out there here and now disingenuous may very well win the day.

The RW need only win the short-term filibuster to defeat HCR. It's a shame we supply the talking points.

Personally, I'd rather have healthcare. green jobs AND budget discipline. The GOP wouldn't win another election for the next 100 years.

[emulatorloo]

10. GREAT RANT ON THAT SUBJECT HERE: Republicans: Spare Me Your Newfound “Fiscal Responsibility

Republicans: Spare Me Your Newfound “Fiscal Responsibility Joseph Palermo
http://www.laprogressive.com/2009/02/12/republicans-spare-me-your-newfound-fiscal-responsibility/

At his press conference on Monday, President Barack Obama had to remind Mara Liasson of Fox News and NPR that it was the Republicans who doubled the national debt over the past eight years and it’s a little strange to be hearing lectures from them now about how to be fiscally responsible. That interchange was my favorite part of the press conference. A savvy inside-the-Beltway reporter of Ms. Liasson’s caliber shouldn’t have to be reminded that George W. Bush and the Republican Congress were among the most fiscally reckless politicians in U.S. history.

The most inexcusable action the Republican Congress and the Bush administration took vis-à-vis the federal budget was to launch two wars and two open-ended occupations without raising one dime in revenues to pay for them. Never in the history of this country has an administration and Congress cut taxes while launching open-ended wars.

Bush and the Republican Congress didn’t think twice before throwing the entire $850 billion price tag for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars right onto the national debt. Not only did they refuse to pass new “revenue enhancements” to pay for the wars, but they also fought tooth and nail to block any legislation that would raise revenues. They didn’t budge an inch on repealing the totally irresponsible Bush tax cuts of 2001 that immediately ballooned the deficit before 9-11. Any “conservative” administration and Congress (one would think) would either raise taxes to pay for their new wars or at least roll back the tax cuts they enacted upon seizing power. In 2008, John McCain campaigned on making the Bush tax cuts permanent.

So pardon me for not being moved when I hear Mitch McConnell, John McCain, Jon Kyl, Lindsey Graham, John Boehner, and other Washington Republicans (along with the Right’s echo chamber) whining and griping about the “excessive spending” in the stimulus bill and the effects it will have on the national debt.

[TheKentuckian]

11. They always do this. Deficits are only horrible when they aren't

racking them up. Tax cuts loose effectiveness if they don't pass them. On and on because they are the lying, hypocrite, dumbass party.

[Beaverhausen]

13. "Deficits don't matter"- Cheney in 2004

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_52/b3914021_mz007.htm

snip

HOW DID THIS SHIFT HAPPEN? Conversations with more than a dozen senior business leaders, including board members of the Concord Coalition, point to this progression: Since Ronald Reagan, a majority of Republican politicians have gradually come to conclude, as Vice-President Dick Cheney famously told former Treasury Secretary Paul H. O'Neill, that "deficits don't matter." What's interesting and alarming, however, is that different Republican factions believe deficits don't matter for opposite and incompatible reasons.

Supply-siders believe deficits don't matter because tax cuts so boost investment and productivity that the economy grows its way out of debt. The opposite, "starve the beast" faction, epitomized by tax tactician Grover Norquist, hope tax cuts will indeed create deep deficits that will then force spending cuts. But both things can't be true.

Under George W. Bush, the merry ideology calls for tax cuts in all seasons for all reasons. Spending has increased faster than under Clinton, and deficits have ballooned, yet tax cutting marches on. This privately scares many Republican business leaders. But very few are speaking out, either because they don't want to burn bridges to the White House or because they are too pleased with their tax cuts.

snip

[Festivito]

15. Notice how they cannot use numbers. They'd realize they've been duped.

Notice under Clinton the yearly debt change goes down each year.
Up under Bush, then up like crazy, then Obama gets Bush's budget and Bush's leftover problems.
Then, Obama starts his first Obama budget, which projects to being less than what Bush left Obama.

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np

FISCAL YEAR DEBT CHANGE, Sep 30 prior year to Sep 30 named year:
(One "* " for each 40B$ reached)
FY1994 +0,281,261,026,873.94 ------------* * * * * * * WJC
FY1995 +0,281,232,990,696.07 ------------* * * * * * * WJC
FY1996 +0,250,828,038,426.34 ------------* * * * * * WJC
FY1997 +0,188,335,072,261.61 ------------* * * * WJC
FY1998 +0,113,046,997,500.28 ------------* * WJC
FY1999 +0,130,077,892,735.81 ------------* * * WJC
FY2000 +0,017,907,308,253.43 ------------WJC
FY2001 +0,133,285,202,313.20 ------------* * * C&B
01-WJC +0,053,598,528,417.78 ------------* WJC 31% of FY, 40% of FY-Debt
01-GWB +0,079,686,673,895.42 ------------* GWB 69% of FY, 60% of FY-Debt
FY2002 +0,420,772,553,397.10 ------------* * * * * * * * * * GWB
FY2003 +0,554,995,097,146.46 ------------* * * * * * * * * * * * * GWB
FY2004 +0,595,821,633,586.70 ------------* * * * * * * * * * * * * * GWB
FY2005 +0,553,656,965,393.18 ------------* * * * * * * * * * * * * GWB
FY2006 +0,574,264,237,491.73 ------------* * * * * * * * * * * * * * GWB
FY2007 +0,500,679,473,047.25 ------------* * * * * * * * * * * * GWB
FY2008 +1,017,071,524,649.92 ------------* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * GWB
FY2009 +1,885,104,106,599.30 ------------* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * B&O
09GWB +0,602,152,152,000.60 ------------* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * GWB 31% of FY, 32% of FY-Debt
09-BHO +1,282,951,954,598.70 ------------* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * BHO 69% of FY, 68% of FY-Debt
FY2010 +0,180,995,999,858.50 ------------* * * * BHO
Endof10 +1,048,627,618,227.82 ------------* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Linear Projection