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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 02:09 PM
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Reconfirm Ben Bernanke (One of my rare posts in agreement with President Obama)
Edited on Fri Dec-04-09 02:53 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
Al Gore was on the Larry King show during the Bush administration and Larry asked him to name something good George Bush had done in office. Gore said, "Ben Bernanke is a fine choice at the Fed." Larry asked for a second good Bush action. Al said he couldn't think of another one.

Ben Bernanke is imperfect but so are Nancy Pelosi and President Obama and a lot of other people I don't want replaced in a big hurry. The question always must arise, replaced with what?

Ben Bernanke is Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve. That is a particular sort of position that is expected to be safe and steady. Were Bernanke let go he would not be replaced with someone with the instincts of a Roubini, Reich or Krugman in any scenario.

Apples to apples, by the standards of Fed Chairman Bernanke is pretty good and will someday be remembered as one of the best ever.

Did he contribute to the current crisis? Sure. Everyone in the big-money racket did. But Bernanke's mis-steps were trivial echos of the actions of his esteemed long-term predecessor Alan Greenspan. Bernanke kicked the Greenspan can down the road.

But when the wheels flew off the cart Bernanke did something I find deeply impressive... he set aside his ideology in the face of exigent circumstances and probably, in the process, saved the new-born Obama presidency that Obama would have been too intrinsically cautious to save.

Rather than riding the ghost of Milton Friedman into the abyss, which could have happened, Bernanke quietly embarked on a program that might have made Keynes blush. The Fed became a direct competitor in the mortgage market to repress mortgage rates. That's extraordinary. The Fed began creating dollars at a rate we still can't quite comprehend. The Fed quietly volunteered to be a source of magic money for purposes Congress lacked the will to authorize.

Some Fed chairman would have kept interest rates too high just for appearances. Some Fed chairman would have said that trying to prop up the housing market was outside their proper responsibilities. And a lot of Fed chairman would have stopped creating money because the numbers were just too big, even though the patient was not reviving.

Fortunately Bernake, as an academic expert on the Great Depression, knew that precisely the monetary conservatism that got him the job in the first place would be fatal in that kind of crisis. So, knowing that one door held a tiger he barreled through the other door with no guarantee it had a lady. (It could have had another tiger.)

Perhaps Bernanke's guts in following the numbers where they led arose from his academic background, where one is expected to show their work, rather than merely invoke dogma. In any event, he is not a life-time banker.

Though largely unknown to the public, in financial circles he will be remebered as the one person most responsible for pulling the world economy back from the brink. (I would put Prime Mister Brown second.) Bernanke's efforts were greater and more central to the solution than Paulson, Geithner, and Obama combined.

And nobody instructed him to save the world, or how. As Fed chair he acted unilaterally. Had President Bush or President Obama been calling the shots either man may well have sought politically smart moderation, with disastrous results.

CONCLUSION: I think President Obama did the right thing in renominating Bernanke. I would be delighted if Bernanke's renomination were tied to a commitment to allow a little inflation to develop in the economy and leave the Fed rate at 0% for several years. But it will not be... the national money mythology will put incredible pressure on the next Fed chair to raise rates and remove money from the system.

If Bernanke failed to be reconfirmed then his replacement would be picked by President Obama, not by me or you. If Obama nominated a new Fed chair specifically to not reign in the emergency monetary expansion I would support that. But Obama is publicly fretting about the deficit and saying there is no public money to deal with unemployment. Obama is not going to ever pick a radical Fed chair. Ever.

Based on his quick, dramatic and non-dogmatic response to the 2008-2009 crisis I think Bernanke has as much chance of doing something atypical/visionary as anyone else who Obama might conceivably appoint.

Two points:

1) The top recommended story on the DU Front Page is a flat lie, claiming that Bernanke called for the elimination of social security and medicaid. He did not. He did nothing of the sort. The headline of the post is a conscious lie. He was pointing out that as legislative creations that only congress has the power to control those entitlements, not recommending as policy advice that congress eliminate them. Use your common sense! Do you think anyone appearing before Congress seeking confirmation to a post would call for the elimination of social security? THINK, dammit.

2) Some would like to see Bernanke replaced with Paul Volcker. That's cool, as far as it goes. But one must recognize two things about Volcker. First, he is 326 years old. Second, he was THE architect of the early 1980s melt-down. (The last time we had 10% unemployment.) Inflation was a big problem circa 1980 and the Fed wrung inflation out of the US economy with both hands, damn the human cost. It was remarkably effective ruthlessness, along the lines of allowing Coventry to be bombed without evacuation or using the A-bomb on Hiroshima. Inflation never came back. But US wages also never came back. We have had a low inflation/low wage-growth environment since 1980, despite several bubbles along the way. The point here is, I would be okay with Volcker but he is a ruthless central banker willing to break some china in defense of capital and the system... just like Bernanke.

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 02:12 PM
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1. Thoughtful, reasoned, full of facts and about to be pilloried.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 02:13 PM
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2. Disagree. Unrec'd. nt.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 02:16 PM
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3. Points for not unrec'ing anonymously but is it possible that you could
give your reasoned opinion why you disagree?

Have no dog in this fight but would like to see people who are better informed have an intelligent discussion on the merits rather than some of the wilder flamethrowing that other threads have had.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 02:23 PM
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6. OK. Short answer.
Partly because I don't consider myself any kind of expert on this either.

The fact is, I don't have a strong negative opinion of Bernanke as a person.

What I do think, however, is that given the nature and extent of the current debacle, we need new blood, new ideas, input from people less connected to the Wall Street culture and ideology that he and the rest of the current economic team represent.

I'm a little rushed for time to say much more at this specific time. But thank you for asking and being so open to civil discourse.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 02:39 PM
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9. Hi Freddie. In the abstract I would agree with you.
My observations are all predicated on the assumption (which I consider a certainty) that President Obama would never make a gambling choice on Fed chair. So, since nothing radical will be done, I feel that Bernanke has more proven daring and imagination than any likely replacement that Obama might actually appoint.

If Obama had tapped Summers at Treasury and left Geithner at the NY Fed, and had then Bernanke retired, Obama would have appointed Geithner as Fed chair.

We both know it.

So a bullet dodged on that one.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 05:17 PM
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20. Interesting observations.
Summers might never have made it, of course, on Treasury, for lord only knows what background stuff might have come out.

The terrible mess he left at Harvard, the big stink controversy over his ridiculous remarks about women in the sciences, etc.

Bernanke is not my first or even tenth choice at this point, but Summers......arghhh!
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 02:16 PM
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4. Helicopter Ben?
I must have missed the scheduled money drop for my neighborhood.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 03:13 PM
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15. The helicopter thing is comical, but not as funny as it sounds
Though a Friedman thing, it is a fairly pedestrian observation. A government can always halt domestic deflation by devaluing the currency. Dumping money out of helicopters will create inflation.

We did have the equivalent of a helicopter drop, but the money drop went into banks who hoarded it. So, as silly as it sounds, helicopters would have been a better solution.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 03:18 PM
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16. Like I said
I missed the scheduled drop for my neighborhood. :D
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 03:22 PM
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17. Me too. I even bought a net!
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 02:20 PM
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5. If Bernanke wasn't PART of fuckin shit up in the first place the arguments would be good...
...but he was. He did very little to stop the acidic policies of GreenSpan
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 02:25 PM
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7. A fair point, and the Wall Street Journal editorial page agrees with you here
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704107104574572160340353006.html

Bernanke has certainly made mistakes, but we can only hope that he has learned from them.

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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 02:59 PM
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13. The key thing for anyone who's followed the market and what makes Bernanke that much more important
is the fact that Bernanke controls the market. What Bernanke or at one time Paulson said ruled the market. He has the ability to make it shift almost any way he wants and when you have a shotty market you need someone with that power in place. I can't stand Bernanke at times...but I know he has the power that many economists in the Fed, before him, never had---well except maybe Volcker.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 03:04 PM
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14. They all had the power. Bernanke was willing to use it, in a pinch
Th Fed is incredibly powerful and answers to no one.

Had Fed actions had to have been approved by congress we would all be living in cardboard boxes right now. (Actually, we would be squatting in each others abandoned homes.) Just imagine if congressional approval had been needed to print 8 trillion dollars, or whatever the number is.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 06:11 PM
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21. Not really. Greenspan was seen as an idiot more often than not.
Actually he was terrifying in his ability to kill the market times. I noticed he sort of went into the backburner. Upon the arrival of Paulson/Bernanke----those guys were living in the public eye---but that could be because of a shitty economy.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 02:28 PM
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8. The problem is that anyone you pick with experience will be part of the problem.
I am considering who Obama might possibly pick for that job.

Someone like Roubini is not going to be offered such a post. Obama is not going to pick an academic.

If not Bernanke then Obama would pick someone else from within the Fed system. You know it. I know it.

Obama picked Geithner at Treasury. If Bernanke had retired and Geithner were not so unpopular Obama would probably have appointed Geithner to Fed chair.

I find Bernanke a down-right iconoclast within the range of folks a cautious man like Obama could conceivably appoint.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 02:53 PM
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11. Obama is not going to pick an academic.
That was the main qualification Bernanke had when he was appointed.

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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 02:55 PM
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12. Actually being in academia and having the experience are two different things.
It's almost similar to the abhorrent idea when people suggest that Elizabeth Warren should replace Geithner, which I find completely assinine considering she's not even an economist but a lawyer. When not really involved in how the system works---but coming from the outside into a problematic situation---it's not as easy as people like to think. And this has nothing to do with smarts..it's really to do with experience.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 02:48 PM
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10. And the other half of DU disagrees with you and puts him in the same league as Geithner.
Now....I have to say...expect to deal with a lot of drama--and you may be called a cheerleader. However, I do appreciate your statement, it's reasoned and I have to say I agree. I can't stand Bernanke but I've seen how the market loves you.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 03:48 PM
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18. I wonder if the grandstanding senators will take responsibility for any fallout
Edited on Fri Dec-04-09 03:48 PM by ecstatic
that occurs as a result of tossing Bernanke. I'm not a Bernanke fan, but my instinct is saying that we shouldn't ditch the guy while we're still so close to the brink of economic collapse.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 04:50 PM
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19. I've been assuming reconfirmation is in the bag. (Is that incorrect?)
Edited on Fri Dec-04-09 04:55 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 06:58 PM
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22. There are so many aspects to consider, as you prove with this post, K&H.
I appreciate the thought provoking -- and in my case educational and enlightening -- opinion. Too many times I knee jerk respond as though the issue at hand is simple and black or white. Thanks. Recommend. (Not that it'll do any good).
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 07:04 PM
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23. And here's a rare rec and kick from me! ;-) NT
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 11:00 PM
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24. Two reasons why Bernanke must go. NOW.
1) His recent attacks on Medicare and Social Security. ANYONE who advocates these things is not fit to serve in any government position* or hold any sort of influence in the government. (Of course this also applies to the DLC senators who are trying to force that crap through Congress right now as well.)

2) * Of course the "federal" reserve is NOT actually a government agency at all, but rather a cabal of private bankers, and that is the reason why Bernanke should be replaced by NOBODY. It's time to end the Fraudual Reserve once and for all.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 11:31 PM
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26. The Fed is by nearly every form an independent government agency.
Of course it does not have to defer to the president or to Congress. That's the point. Thank God for that. However, at the end of the day, the president and Congress determine who sits on the Fed and can alter anything they want to about it. They don't for historical reasons.

The Fed also returns its profits, which are considerable, to the Treasury for debt repayment.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 11:28 PM
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25. You and I are in agreement.
Bernanke made some grievous misjudgments early in his career at the Fed. He drank a little bit of the Greenspan Kool Aid. However, when the world was ready to fly apart, he did manage to piece it back together, somewhat. It's not perfect or even close, but few could have done better. The immense complexity of the crisis would have made a lesser man or woman break. Our policymakers had to make incredibly large decisions in the space of 2-3 days in many cases. The Fed, as it is currently constituted, was the only institution that exists that could have done that. Congress could never have acted quickly enough. They would be wrapped up in debates about moral hazard as unemployment vaulted over 30% (I'm talking U-3 here).

I shudder to think how some more rigid academic economists would have responded. Bernanke and the Fed responded as needed with whatever it took to prevent our delicate financial system from collapsing. Now, putting it back together will be the trick.
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NYC Democrat Donating Member (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 03:07 AM
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27. a very very well thought out post that has me reconsidering Bernanke.
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