When folks claim the WH picks more fights with progressives than conservatives, it would also seem

[wndycty]

. . .that some vocal progressives would rather spend their time complaining about the WH, claiming its not progressive enough, claiming it has not accomplished anything, claiming Obama is no different than Bush and perceiving any criticism of anyone on the left as betrayal.

The WH antagonizes progressives no more than some progressives antagonize the WH.

If anyone has ever complimented this WH, if anyone has ever acknowledged its accomplishments, if anyone has defended the WH to other progressives, Gibbs comments were not directed at you. Many on the "professional left" taking offense at the comments might feel better when they realize that Gibbs was not talking about them.

And ANYONE who thinks the WH is not allowed to swing back and that when it does its attacking the majority of progressives is just an idiot.

[Lasher]

1. Anybody who disagrees with me is stupid.

Hey, this is fun!

[PA Democrat]

2. Better than some of that poster's previous threads. "Your ilk" and "racist"

were used by her in this thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=8929068

:puke:

[wndycty]

3. Are you talking about me? Because that isn't my thread. Similar screennames, different people.

:kick:

[PA Democrat]

4. You have my apology. Although calling people "idiots" is not helpful either.

How is calling people names and telling them they have no right to feel disappointed in some of the Obama administration's policies useful? Do you think you will change people's minds by insulting them?

Edited to change word in quotations to match OP.

[Lasher]

5. I was hoping you would have the character to apologize for that.

Thanks for not disappointing me.

[polmaven]

6. I don't think the OP

even hinted that nobody has the right to feel disappointed in "some" of the Obama administration's policies. I really think he is talking about those here - and there are more than a few - who complain and gripe about nearly everything he has done, and it is a lot more than disappointment.

I am disappointed in some of his policies. I will not, though, EVER declare that he is anywhere even CLOSE to W and/or that, if he is indeed the candidate in '12...which I fully expect he will be, that I will withhold support for him, and stay home rather than vote for him.

[PA Democrat]

7. Here is the problem I have with this entire Gibbs fiasco:

People are upset because Gibbs' remarks are part of a pattern of insulting and excluding the more liberal elements of the party. Recall Rahm's offensive "retarded" remark during the health care debate?

Why were proponents of single payer such as PNHP excluded from the health care debate?

Why are consumer and community advocate groups being excluded from the administration's housing reform panel? Looks like the banksters will be well-represented.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

Why are gay service members still being discharged under DADT? A survey is needed? Of the families of straight service members, no less?

And yes, the WH is free to lash out at its critics, but is it an advisable move given the proximity to the 2010 elections and given the low numbers for enthusiasm among Democrats? I don't think so and neither does Howard Dean. He made some very perceptive comments on the subject. I'll post the link down thread.

I supported Obama from early on in the primaries, donating both time and money to his campaign, and I am beyond disappointed in him. Of course, I'll vote for him if he is the candidate in 2012, but I doubt that I'll have the same enthusiasm to work for his campaign and I sure won't have the money to donate because our health insurance premiums are killing us and there is no relief in sight thanks the the health care "reform" sellout. Self-employed people with preexisting conditions are pretty much screwed by HCR.

If I have any extra time and money in upcoming elections, it will go to politicians on the state level who are working on a single payer health care system for the state of PA.

[PA Democrat]

8. Link to Howard Dean's take on Gibbs' reamrks:

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/08/liberal_flap_ha.php

[Warren Stupidity]

9. Daily Woodchuck Assault Continues!

this is getting quite tiresome. What is your goal here?

[Vinnie From Indy]

10. And then there are the serial complainers complaining that progressives

complain too much.

Unreccd for the broad brush nonsense in the post.

[ruggerson]

11. The "Obama is just as bad as Bush" meme

is being (over)used to attempt to innoculate Obama against some very valid criticisms.

It ain't working.

[Paladin]

12. Pleased To Unrec. (n/t)

[frylock]

13. prezzidentin' is hard work

knu

[Phx_Dem]

14. +10000

[BootinUp]

15. I recced it a little closer to zero. lol. nt

[NJmaverick]

16. An extremely astute and accurate observation

[JamesA1102]

17. Well said nt

[ProgressOnTheMove]

18. Yeah, that is a good break down of what he was getting at. We have to give affirmation to our...

own side sometimes. It's good to be genuinely fair and balanced.

[niceypoo]

19. The whitehouse is stupid to 'swing back' against its own base

It is politically foolish, particularity two months out from a midterm.

[LatteLibertine]

20. I certainly

oppose President Obama's choices in some instances and make that known in a constructive manner. I approve of many things he's done too. I will be supporting him until the end of his term, then I will evaluate all that has been done or left undone.