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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 01:29 PM
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Herbert Hoover : Great Depression Goat
Sound familiar??

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How did a man whose name was considered synonymous with efficiency and problem solving end up as the goat of the Great Depression? Herbert Hoover was the epitome of the self-made man in the early 20th Century. The electorate of the United States considered Hoover a natural to extend the years of Coolidge prosperity in 1928. At the onset of the Great Depression, Hoover could not have known the seriousness of the crisis. His administration’s actions to remedy the crisis certainly reflect that. However, could anyone else have succeeded under the same conditions? Considering the Depression’s economic roots and the structure of American industry and agriculture, it is likely that any administration would have met with the same fate as that of Herbert Hoover.

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Laissez-Faire economic policy allowed for rapid industrialization to take place without government regulation, and marketplace competition suffered as a result. Competition was hindered further by previous periods of economic contraction, such as the depression of 1893. Only the larger companies survived periods of economic contraction, and the larger companies began to structure themselves differently in order to consolidate their operations. Large companies sought to control all processes in production, or vertical integration, in order to increase efficiency and protect themselves from future economic shocks. Other companies sought to monopolize their markets. These structures allowed for the lowering of prices that smaller companies could not match.

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It was during this time that an exodus of agricultural workers to urban areas took place. Along with increased immigration, there was a surplus of labor for American industry. The new concentrated nature of industry required fewer workers and allowed wages to remain relatively low despite large increases in productivity. Despite the perceptions inspired by the years of Coolidge prosperity in the 1920’s, unemployment was a pervasive issue. The persistence of these trends contributed to growing disparity of income in America.

The Hoover administration, equipped with belief that the cycles of prosperity and contraction were a natural phenomenon, could not have anticipated the seriousness of the Great Depression. The change in the structure of the American economy was its natural evolution. Even the courts prevented most attempts of policy makers to engage in regulation that may have prevented collapse, or at least kept the problem from becoming so pervasive. The depth of the economic collapse could not have been envisioned, nor did the tools exist to fix it had policy makers recognized it. The entrenched nature of laissez-faire economic policy prevented any such action. These factors left the Hoover administration ill equipped to deal with the Great Depression. Even with his vast experience, Herbert Hoover was doomed to failure.




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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 02:01 PM
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1. No.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 02:07 PM
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2. I'm sure most folks agreed with you before the Great Depression...
But, at that time, we did not have the same history as we do today. Excess labor, immigrants, too big to fail, lack of regulations, low taxes, just another "recession". Nope, nothing similar at all.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 02:11 PM
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3. "who says this is 'just another recession' Obama has repeatedly said it's the worse economic downtur
since the great depression.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 02:17 PM
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4. Well, if that is true...
Should not we be reacting in a similar way as Roosevelt? Why the foot-draggging?? How many more unemployed? Why the hesitancy in raising taxes on the wealthy? Why no jobs programs? Why do we act as if nothing happened??
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 02:19 PM
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5. Why no jobs program? The stimulus bill was the biggest jobs program passed in history.
What hesitancy on raising taxes on the wealthy? Obama has said he supports letting the Bush tax cuts expire. Where is he acting like nothing happened? This is just pure nonsense.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 02:23 PM
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6. Only in cost...
and much of it remains to be spent.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 02:27 PM
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7. Stimulus has worked, too:
Steve Goldstein, MarketWatch
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The oft-criticized stimulus plan boosted the economy in the second quarter by as much as 4.5%, the Congressional Budget Office said on Tuesday.

In a report published the same day as Minority Leader John Boehner's criticism of President Obama's economic policy, the CBO said the stimulus law boosted the economy by between 1.7% and 4.5%, lowered the unemployment rate by between 0.7 percentage points and 1.8 percentage points and increased the number of people employed by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million.

But I agree that any unspent stimulus dollars need to get out in the economy NOW.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 02:49 PM
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8. I agree the stimulus worked...
But I think it has run out of steam, because it was too small, and that is why we are talking about a "double-dip recession". I think the problem needs to be taken much more seriously than it has been thus far.
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 03:01 PM
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9. This a whole lot of nonsense
Do you know how long it took FDR to get out of the depression? Do you know that everyone - even the most progressive historians - agrees today that what really end the depression was the second world war? Do you know that Obama's recovery act was the BIGGEST in history? Did FDR had to face a completely lunatic opposition?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 03:31 PM
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10. Did you know...
The Repubs were able to convince FDR that the deficit was a problem also? And that helped to prolong the depression.
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 03:59 PM
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11. Much like Truman once said...
"The Depression was not created by Herbert Hoover, it was created for him."
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 04:05 PM
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12. And he failed to take the bull by the horn...
as the nation was collapsing around him, he was under the ideological spell of laissez-faire economics. And he was a very bright guy.
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 04:10 PM
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13. Very true.
According to his worldview, government could play only a limited role. The man's problem was emphatically NOT a lack of compassion, (after all, this IS the man who moved Heaven and Earth to get relief to Europe after WWI) but a lack of vision. He simply could not get the needed paradigm shift through his head.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 04:31 PM
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14. What about Obama?
Obama is eerily paralleling Hoover, giving speeches about deficits, and lending support to such as Simpson.

If Obama isn't careful, he won't be remembered as the first African American President, he'll be remembered as the first African American Hoover.
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