Department of Get the F*** Out Obama's Speech

[Botany]

Thanx W, Cheney, & Rummy you have done enough.

I have a neighbor who has a son who did 3 tours in Iraq and now
has brain cancer that sooner or later will kill him and no surge
will change that.

Quit bull crapping Mr. President sooner or later a full level civil war
will break out in Iraq.

Turn the page? F*** that, W he needs to be in jail.

"The Iraqi regime possesses biological and chemical weapons, is rebuilding the facilities to make more and, according
to the British government, could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45 minutes after the order is given
. . . . This regime is seeking a nuclear bomb, and with fissile material could build one within a year." W Bush Sept. 2002

[babylonsister]

1. Botany, huh?

Should we stay or should we go? Should we stay to thwart a civil war? I don't get it.

And yes, * needs to pay, but I don't know, given the current climate in this country, how successful that would be.

[Botany]

3. The dynamics of a bloody civil war are there in Iraq and no I don't ...

.... think we should stay and take part in that mess.

[Arkana]

4. If there is anyone who does not think Obama was faced with a choice when he took the oath, they're

naive.

Obama had to choose: do I take the wheel and try my damndest to steer us back onto the road, or do I go after my predecessors for crimes that (knowing Republicans and the current system) we have trouble defining, let alone proving? If they get off (and a lot of them will, probably including Bush, Cheney, and Rove), I don't gain anything and I just look stupid. The left excoriates me for "letting them get away", the right ALREADY hates me, and the media rips me to shreds for not governing while the country's in crisis.

I know which choice I'd make.

[TheKentuckian]

11. You are a party to lawlessness then.

If the Bush Crime Syndicate is beyond justice then so is every single American.

We are either equal or we aren't and there is nothing that reconciles that.

You are advocating that the wealthy, connected, and powerful be set aside and not be subject to any law or consequences of their misdeeds.

If you demand a prosecution of any citizen, for any reason then you are a hypocrite.

You give license to EVERY future administration to do as they please without fear of retribution or accountability. You have made the President a god and a despot no matter who it is.

Never let it be said that you are a friend of Justice but rather a student of the quick and easy path and a willing contributor to dismantling our system of law out of the desire for the path of least resistance in the name of short term power.

When the next cabal rises up, sleep well knowing you authorized their abuses.

[Mira]

5. Well - the current climate in this country has been aided and abetted by the

administration's deliberate and dogged avoidance of assigning responsibility to liars, cheats, and war criminals.
Had we gone after them, at least in investigations that were serious and credible, and had the country been enlisted and informed, the current climate would be a whole lot cleaner, smarter, and would be on a path of responsibility to history and our citizens.

I'm sorry,
I love my President. I support him. I worked for him and went to the inauguration on a red eye bus toting my teenage grandson.

I'm sorry,
I hate what Bush et al did. I never supported them. I worked against them and went to Washington twice, toting my grandson, to march against his policies and warring.

I'm sorry,
This speech was a wimpy, incomplete, continuation of doing the wrong thing when it comes to influencing the current climate in this country.

I am sorely disappointed.

[babylonsister]

7. It was a speech to declare the end of combat operations in

Iraq and withdrawal of troops. What did you expect?

And can you even imagine what this country would be like had this admin gone after the prior admin, given all the other massive problems we faced?

Sorry, you think it's screwed up now, I can't even imagine what it would look like had that happened, as much as the previous admin deserved it.

[Mira]

9. I respect your position with all my might, as much as it pains me that I cannot share it. n/t

[BeFree]

10. I can just imagine

.... Headline: "Bush Indicted For War Crimes"

I and a few million others would be dancing in the streets. Even if not one other move was made, I'd be happier and prouder of Obama and would work harder to get more Dems elected.

I pray for just such an October surprise.

[RandomThoughts]

2. He is probably following a smaller empathy circle.

If he goes after some people in some groups using justice, they will all turn on him, and he worries about that.

There is a rule in some groups, that their members do not have to face justice, they believe all their actions are allowed, and have a closed ranks mentality, a form of anarchy.


I do think he does some good things, but he also walks the fence sometimes trying to please people in many groups.



Basically if you accurately prosecute a person in fraternal group, then the fraternal group gets mad at you, and some worry about that.


Obviously entire sections of the government, private sector, and military need to be held account for things they did. But while those people are thought to have some control or power, people don't fix the use of two tier justice as false justice.

:shrug:

Not going to comment on anyone specifically, including President Obama, but I do know one thing.


They will pay.

[Botany]

6. In Dec. 2000 bush, Cheney, Rummy, and Wolfowitz all went to the ....

... Pentagon and planned for an Iraqi war and in Feb/March 2001 Cheney had this map on his desk;




and not a God Damn thing will happen to anyone of them but the impeached Clinton for a b.j..


:grr:

[Mira]

8. Forgot to recommend, and got to be number 5 when I returned to do it n/t