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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 12:54 PM
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HCR I told you so Talk now is of Private Insurers running the Federal plans
Edited on Mon Dec-07-09 01:16 PM by Perky

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30255_Page2.htm

Senate Democrats in search of a health reform compromise Sunday zeroed in on a new alternative to a government-run insurance plan — signaling that the chances a final bill will include a pure public option are diminishing.

The new idea — for the government to create a national health insurance plan similar to the Federal Employee Health Benefits Plan — seemed to gather momentum as the weekend went on, and the differences between liberals and moderates on the public option became even clearer.

The proposal would take the place of a new government insurance plan currently included in the Senate version of the bill, according to officials involved with the negotiations.

The plan would be administered by the Office of Personnel Management, which oversees the federal plan for members of Congress, and all of the insurance options would be not -for-profit ones offered by private companies.

Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.), a public option opponent who is participating in the talks, said the new proposal would do away with the government insurance program in Majority Leader Harry Reid’s current bill, which allows states to opt out of a public option.

“Seems to me it would be in lieu of the public option,” Nelson said. He also said Reid’s “opt-out” idea “is no longer being talked about.”

If the Senate goes in this direction, the challenge for Reid is framing this alternative as an acceptable compromise for progressives. Politically, the idea holds appeal for moderates, who have opposed establishing a new government insurance plan, but might also satisfy liberal demands for more choice and competition for private insurers.

“The proposal under consideration can be said to provide access to the same type of insurance plans that members of Congress and federal employees get. People think of that as government health insurance; progressives could portray this in the same vein,” said a Democratic Senate aide, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the negotiations. “But moderates can simultaneously point to the fact that the government isn’t the payer and say competition was enhanced without growing the government.”


The Gov't option would be provided on a not for profit basis by the insurance insurance industry as a trade off of insurance reform.. By making insurance companies winners as well, Reid pick ups support from the Blue dogs and destroys the argument by the GOP that it is a bureaucratic boondoggle. Might get it out of the senate this way but it is going to piss off the progressive.


No one on the left is going to like it because it "rewards the insurance companies" but truth be told the primary issues are cost and access and consumer protection and not "punishing" the insurance companies for their profiteering.

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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 01:09 PM
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1. Why not let the Federal Reserve adminster it? Why not just blow us all up with bombs?
Edited on Mon Dec-07-09 01:09 PM by valerief
Why not let the Dubai Port Authority administer it? Why not let four-year-olds who can count to ten decide who lives and dies? Why not let the Pakistani military invade the US and throw rocks at us?

Hmm, I'll try to think of some more good ideas for healthcare.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 01:14 PM
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2. I am not saying it does not suck.....But better than nuttin!
Edited on Mon Dec-07-09 01:34 PM by Perky
:shrug:
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 01:17 PM
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3. Why can't we have REAL healthcare reform? Why can't we have single payer?
The more the ins companies control, the more they will change and hack to their liking both initially and over time.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 01:22 PM
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4. Due respect: stop whining about a Single Payer
We can't have a Single Payer system because there is no political will for it. The votes were never there.
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 01:40 PM
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5. Squash demand and you are right
there will never be any political will. You're doing a hell of a job.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 02:39 PM
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7. there's no will because people dont WANT it.
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 03:47 PM
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9. 2/3rds want medicare for all and that number is
with a constant high level massive campaign to squash the idea and discredit anyone who dares to mention it. You assist them by preventing the only real solution from being discussed seriously. Political will needs to be forced by demand. It will never magically appear on it's own. And never through voting which is all about keeping people focused on their wedge differences.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 04:18 PM
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12. i remember that polling information to be different
my recall is that 2/3rds wanted some kind of governmental insurance plan but when put against the PO, SP got beat every time. Americans are to scared to give up the illusion of choice.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 05:21 PM
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15. Not in the working class world. Maybe in lobbyist world it's different. nt
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 06:43 PM
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17. im refering to the real world
where the polls where taken.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 05:20 PM
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14. You people might not. The majority of Americans do, though. nt
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 12:31 PM
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23. again, that is not true.
the polls indicate that most Americans want a public option which is exactly why they went that way.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 05:20 PM
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13. Stop defending the oppressors! We deserve single payer like other civilized countries! nt
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 04:03 PM
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10. the simple answer, it can't even get out of committee.
i'd like SP myself but right now there's no chance.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 05:22 PM
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16. Keep repeating there's no chance. You'll kill it, I'm sure. nt
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 09:00 AM
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19. no, right now it's a simple fact. guys that won't vote for a public option aren't going to vote for
Edited on Tue Dec-08-09 09:13 AM by dionysus
singer payer. that's just basic, common sense. why does pointing out the truth bother you?

:shrug:
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 02:23 PM
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6. How is that going to be reconciled with the bill passed by the House
Which has a Public option? Progressives need to take a stand here.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 02:40 PM
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8. Minuscule pools that no few can access or large pool that everyone can join
hmmm...which one is better?

For the average person this is probably the best deal yet if they will actually negotiate for drug pricing and services. I'm far from sold but on the surface this seems like something that will actually function and avoid a public plan that is nothing but a place for big insurance to dump the people they won't be bothered to serve. Of course they must remove the anti-trust exemptions for this to have a shot as well as put in proper oversight with some teeth but this could end up something that will actually help a lot of people and construct some fashion of a structure that we can live under.

If they make decent tradeoffs this one is coming, I suspect that a plan that gives everyone the option of a plan just like Congress/Federal Employees will gain overwhelming support. If Congress agrees to take their coverage from the new plan then this one will have like 70+ percent approval.

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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 04:12 PM
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11. Medicaid here in New York
is already being run by health insurance companies. When you get on Medicaid, you pick your plan.

zalinda
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 08:17 PM
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18. then, when Goldman Sachs buys the sickness insurance conglomerates,
all will be right in the world
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 09:05 AM
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20. They run Medicare now. So what's the point?
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 09:16 AM
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21. If the Obama administration botches healthcare reform
You can forget about his re-election. It will be obviously clear who is really running the show in Washington.
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RDANGELO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 10:26 AM
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22. definitely a conflict of interest
Why should the insurance companies put the same resources and effort into a plan that they get no profit? If they put into law that they have give them the same treatment, it could help. As long as it is in there, it could eventually be switched over to government control after the people are convinced that it is necessary.
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