96% of Senate Democrats voted to end DADT... 0% of Senate Republicans voted to end DADT

[scheming daemons]

Spare me the "there's no difference between the parties" bullshit.


It's right there in front of you. Not a SINGLE Republican supports the repeal of DADT.

Not one.

[derby378]

1. 96% ain't fucking good enough

There are snakes loose in the donkey pen.

[w4rma]

9. One of the two will not be in the next Senate. (nt)

[name not needed]

22. Well, that leaves Pryor's fat ass to get rid of.

[vaberella]

53. Yup. n/t

[donheld]

43. Had Obama not campaigned for her

one of those could have been replaced with a real Democrat come November.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

50. ...

[donheld]

84. Did you have a point?

[Cha]

33. 96% is Fucking Reality.

[derby378]

77. Are you saying that reality isn't good enough?

For those in uniform who still have to hide their sexuality, I think they'd agree.

[ShadowLiberal]

38. It would be if the undemocratic filibuster weren't around

The filibuster kills real democracy in the senate, and it's even more dangerous in this hyper polarizing environment when the minority is a bunch of radicals with next to zero to gain by compromising. Obama has even said himself that the filibuster is putting our nation at a disadvantage nationally because of all the stuff we can't get done because of the filibuster that other nations can get done.

[vaberella]

52. It's Lincoln and she won't last long. n/t

[Recursion]

71. One of the "Nays" was Reid, for parliamentary reasons

He can resubmit in a shorter time if he was on the losing side.

[treestar]

83. Then I guess 0% is not, either.

[usregimechange]

2. good point

[bushisanidiot]

3. I'm with you! And I'm with the democrats.. all the way, baby!!

The ban on gays in the military WILL be removed, thus DADT will become irrelevant.

[Botany]

4. 2 shits Blanche Lincoln and Mark Pryor

Arkansas Democratic Sens. Blanche Lincoln and Mark Pryor ..... thanx a lot guys!

[derby378]

5. I have friends who are supporting Lincoln...

...and I know that overall these friends of mine mean well, but damn.

[vaberella]

54. We have DUers supporting that twit.

And getting angry that Obama's support didn't help her. The twit doesn't vote with us. I have rarely seen it. So she can go.

[AlinPA]

6. Every one who voted to kill the bill is a dirty bigot. Every single one.

[vaberella]

55. I agree with this. n/t

[Bobbieo]

7. This should give everyone an idea of where the country is going!

Even now, before the election the Democrats can't win and we are supposedly the group in power. How sad!!!!

[babylonsister]

10. It's not over. And the majority obviously doesn't always mean we

win everything, especially with a party like rethugs (and some Dems) who have obstructed everything.

It. Is. Not. Over.

[PVnRT]

8. Well, I guess 96% is good enough, right?

That ought to shut up the gays for a while, right?

[babylonsister]

11. The majority don't want to shut up the gays despite your attitude,

only the majority of rethugs.

It will happen, but this does suck.

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[babylonsister]

13. Who told you to quit your whining?

It's a done deal; I sympathize but cannot change the outcome. Lots of DUers think this sucks. Don't take it so personally. There is nothing 'we' can do about it either; if there was, we'd be there.

Edit to add: I think the OP wanted to share that the majority of Dems were on board. That's a good thing, and it is not over.

[Dawgs]

16. Great point. Don't be mad at the bigots that voted nay, get mad at the OP.

Someone needs to take a step back and breath.

[Arkana]

24. No one asked you to shut up.

Stop acting like the peasants from Monty Python's Search for the Holy Grail.

All the OP did was state a fact.

[Cha]

34. Who said anything about shutting anyone up, but you?

[scheming daemons]

44. No... it means we need to work on the REAL enemy, the GOP... not the Dems!

[vaberella]

56. Sadly, even with Lincoln and Pryor we wouldn't have enough. n/t

[HughMoran]

14. Not one.

And almost all of the Democrats voted for eliminating DADT - contrast as clear as black & white.

[still_one]

15. You are basing that on one issue, and that this particular issue is voted on just before a election?

If this was done a year ago, I suspect DADT would end

[Neecy]

17. Exactly.

We were BEGGING for this to be brought to a vote last year. Literally BEGGING. Instead we were told that there were lots of priorities in line ahead of us, that we needed to be patient and stop asking for ponies. There was a reason we were begging - so we'd avoid exactly the scenario that happened today.

We knew that the closer to the midterms the vote got the more the Republicans would dig in. We knew that some nitwit like McCain would ride on our backs in his cynical bid for reelection. We knew we'd again be used as 'the other' and kicked around like a football. And we begged for this vote last year, when Scott Brown's seat was still held by a Democrat and Lincoln wouldn't have dicked around with her vote because it was seven weeks from election day...

My gay and lesbian friends aren't blaming the Republicans for this, because we know that the lack of leadership, the lack of interest, and the shelving of DADT last year was entirely up to the Democratic leadership. And don't think that many of us will be fooled by this 'blame the Republicans' mantra. Not one of my gay friends is voting this fall, because they've been told that their votes aren't needed by word and deed. We'll see if our votes really are needed, because it's message time, kiddies.

[still_one]

18. Well, then you friends who are not voting obviously don't care who is in office, because they

believe they would get the same results from either party

I personally don't feel that way, and do believe things would be far worse under a republican congress

[Neecy]

20. Maybe we would get the same results...

Zero.

And again, they don't think they need our votes. We'll see.

[still_one]

39. one way or another we will see, and I personally believe things can get much worse under a republica

congress

[Cha]

36. What you suspect doesn't matter when this is reality.

Speculation is just that.

[still_one]

40. ok, but other than writing your Congress person, voting or not, those are the choices

I will be voting because I believe things would be much worse under a repuke congress

It was said at the time that labor was upset with Carter, and a significant number either decided to vote for reagan

By the beginning of reagan's second term, they had a different view, but unfortunately, the damage had been done, which they, and the country are still paying for

I think the potential is there to get out of the frying pan into the fire with the upcoming election

Every person has their values and limits. There are several issues for me would cause me to give up on the Democrats. Among them are if the Democrats in Congress decide to privitize social security and medicare, and/or slash the benefits, and if they appoint justices from the Federalist Society, and start to give even more power to the corporations

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

76. Point out to me precisely which votes would have changed.

Put up or shut up.

[ieoeja]

79. Byrd and Kennedy are the first two who come to mind.

We *did* have 60 Senate Democrats at that time. Of course, one or two of them would have still voted against this sticking us with the need to find one or two Republicans willing to do the right thing rather than the Rightist thing.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

81. "If this was done a year ago, I suspect DADT would end" I suspect you are correct.

That is why it wasn't done a year ago.

[firedupdem]

19. K&R

[saltpoint]

21. Olympia, Olympia. Wherefore art thou, Olympia?

And your integrity -- did you set that out a a tag sale at some point? You no longer seem to carry it with you.

[w4rma]

25. She's always been a professional liar who will vote against important legislation when she is needed

She *never* had any integrity.

[saltpoint]

26. She draws a lot of Democratic votes in Maine, w4rma.

They perceive that she does. It's my guess that they may have to reconsider after her two most recent votes in the U.S. Senate.

[w4rma]

27. She's a great liar. That's how she cons them. Ignore their words. Watch their actions. (nt)

[saltpoint]

30. There's a growing likelihood that she will face a

Bagger challenge for her nomination next cycle.

She should have done the right thing this week. And she didn't. It wasn't as if she didn't have the opportunity. I hope her most progressive constituents phone her office and blister her ear on this betrayal of decency.

[vaberella]

65. I thought Collins was going to come through---she didn't. She's done. n/t

[saltpoint]

68. Yes. Even though we knew Collins and Snowe are

not with the Democrats in most Senate votes, I thought they would be able to stand up to their party leaders and move things forward.

I'm not wildly shocked but I am disappointed in them.

[Arkana]

23. Even Jim Webb voted for this and he's a staunch opponent of repealing DADT.

So Blanche and Pryor have NO excuse. Fuckers.

[Robb]

29. Good catch. nt

[Cha]

37. Wow! Thanks for telling me that..fucking senators from Arkansas

aren't supporting the Troops.

[bullwinkle428]

28. The WH was operating under the assumption that a few Reupkes

would vote their way in order to push the vote over the top.

[vaberella]

59. Which they would have if the Repubs didn't turn on them.

McCain went extreme right---> We lost him to the miasma of zombies in Arizona. And a few of the repubs who were supposed to vote on at least 2 out of 3 an suck it up for DADT didn't like Obama. End of story. Plus that freak in Massachusetts is a fail.

[wellst0nev0ter]

31. Progess Scutted By A 56 Vote Minority

Sometimes I just -_______________-

[Skittles]

32. why are human rights up for votes?

[scheming daemons]

45. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was voted on... that's how we change the law in this country

[Skittles]

46. there are other ways to go about dismantling DADT

OTHER OPTIONS

[scheming daemons]

51. Not ways that do it permanently....

An executive order is only good until the next President reverses it.


We're trying to get a permanent change here, no?

[LAGC]

82. Tell that to all the gays kicked out so far.

An executive order ending DADT, putting them back to work, esp. the skilled linguists who know foreign languages could be critical to the anti-terror effort. Obama needs to take the lead on this, use his executive powers until Congress eventually follows up and repeals it for good. History will prove him right.

[vaberella]

61. Besides voting in Progressives into congressional seats, or having progressives run.

No, there are no other ways. Sadly there's not even a wave of progressives wanting to run for government office. You only see blue dogs--fiscally responsible so called Dems who want to run for office.

[Arkana]

49. For the same reason it took a Constitutional amendment to grant women

the right to vote in all 50 states.

For the same reason it took an act of Congress to free the slaves.

For the same reason it took powerful legislation that was actually VOTED ON to get rid of fucking Jim Crow, over a decade AFTER the Warren court declared it unconstitutional.

[vaberella]

60. Cause this has been the case since White MEN have been in charge of Government.

Obama, as just a Black man flanked by many Whites in Congress---won't change anything. Look at Congress---and look at it seriously---do you see many women or people of color?! I think there are a total of 2 or 3 people of color and none of them are women. The women are ALL WHITE!

You do realize we, as women, still don't have full rights; right. Added to the fact many women want to hold us back like Bachmann, Angle and O'Donnell <---Who yes are bitches of the worst kind---who want to hurt us even more. So, uh yeah, that's why rights are voted on. No man or woman is made equal in the US---ditto for people of color (not 100%), Blacks learned this long ago---white women new this...then forgot it---and I think are learning it again.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

35. IT'S OBAMA'S FAULT!!!!!!!

:sarcasm:

[vaberella]

58. Isn't it always?! n/t

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[jefferson_dem]

41. Good lord...

Can't make more sense than that.

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[depakid]

47. What it shows is that Republicans are disciplined and can always count on some Dems

to join them on any given policy or nomination- no matter how ill considered, egregious or extreme.

Hell, even the current majority leader crossed over and voted with them on the bankruptcy bill!

This is a major reason why they win policy battles and elections- even when for all intents and purposes, they ought to be relegated to the outer fringe of politics.

[vaberella]

57. There is nothing that can be done unless we vote these congressional leaders out.

And put progressives in their place.

[HuckleB]

48. ROCK AND ROLL! YOU ARE SPOT ON! -eom-

[OmahaBlueDog]

62. Jim Webb, The Nelsons, Byron Dorgan, Kent Conrad, Tim Johnson

All of these men could have easily pleaded" people in my state are simple God-fearing folk who won't forgive me for this vote." They didn't. Even Joe Lieberman went along.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Snowe, Collins, and the newly minted Scott Brown -- who should all know better -- voted party-line. Judd Gregg, who is leaving office, and had nothing to lose, voted against it. Lisa Murkowski, who arguably could have pulled votes and money into her write in campaign, voted against it.

[vaberella]

64. Everyone on the Dem side and Independent side except Pryor and Lincoln. n/t

[David Zephyr]

66. That's the big story.

And thanks for pointing out what needs to be pointed out.

This isn't over. The Republicans hated having to vote on this today.

DADT is dying.

[Hekate]

67. KnR. I'll say it again: Senators are elected by, and answerable to, their districts....

If the district is Blue Dog what do DUers think they'll send to Washington?

In today's vote how many of the disappointed noticed AT ALL that 98% of Democrats voted FOR this bill that will repeal DADT? That includes all those folks excoriated here as "traitors."

In today's vote, how many of the disappointed noticed AT ALL that 100% of the Republicans voted NO?

Who exactly are the people that are going to work WITH us? Only other Democrats. If DUers got their wish and got rid of all the Democratic Congresscritters not progressive enough for their liking, then the centrist districts, the Blue Dog districts, and the conservative districts are not going to send a progressive to the House or the Senate. They're likely to send a Republican.

Just sayin'.

Hekate

[jberryhill]

69. You do realize that Senators don't have "districts"

Normally, we call them "states".

Representatives, in states with more than one, have districts.

[Hekate]

73. kindly forgive my haste in posting and moving on; I shall endeavor to proofread more

craefly in th fture

[jberryhill]

78. Just say three Hail Mary's and you'll be fine. /nt

[NJmaverick]

70. Every liberal and Democrat needs to take notice of those numbers

[Recursion]

72. This was a vote on whether or not to vote on whether or not to vote on the bill

Voting on the bill requires 50 votes to pass.
Voting on whether or not to vote on the bill requires 50 votes to pass.
Voting on whether or not to vote on whether or not to vote on the bill requires 60 votes to pass.

The Senate is fundamentally broken.

[SunsetDreams]

74. K&R for truth!

[DemocraticPilgrim]

75. Exactly, the GOPs cards are on the table they are anti LGBT.

[ZombieHorde]

80. You're right, this is very telling. nt

[akbacchus_BC]

85. Point taken, so since so many dems voted against the repeal of DADT,

why don't you all elect democracts who feel the same way as you do?

Those fuckers always vote with the rethugs and Obama is being blamed, spare me the shit!

[akbacchus_BC]

86. It's all Obama's fault... didn't u get the memo yet?

[akbacchus_BC]

87. Got to say this again, no matter what this President does, it is all his

fault, however, we have his back.

Racism at its best, why the fuck they not in their white sheets?

[akbacchus_BC]

88. Mr. Skinner, please let us vent but not in a bad way! Enough is effing

enough!