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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 09:12 PM
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The World Watches America's Disappointment With President Obama In Disbelief

Georges Ugeux

Chairman and CEO, Galileo Global Advisors
Posted: September 21, 2010 09:38 PM

The World Watches America's Disappointment With President Obama In Disbelief

..............

Isn't it time that we realize what has been done and that patience is essential? Of course, the opposition will blame the President: that's all they can do since they have had nothing to offer for two years and essentially caused the problems Mr. Obama is now facing during the previous eight years when they were the majority Party.

It will take at least two terms to put a country back on track that has lost the respect of other countries because of its moral, military, and financial deterioration. It will take at least that long for any serious improvement in unemployment to take place. This will not happen before 2011. We always knew it.

Truly responsible leaders should not encourage disappointment among the American people. They should not foster fear and dissension. All of us need to stop creating unrealistic expectations. Right now we believe that the worst of the economic and of the financial crisis is behind us. While things are far from perfect, progress is happening. This progress gives us hope, something none of us felt at the end of 2008.

Can we continue to blame just one man for all of our woes? Can we expect him to solve all these problems he did not create, and to do so immediately? If we do, are we acting like spoiled children?

more:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/georges-ugeux/the-world-watches-america_b_734178.html
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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 09:17 PM
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1. kick
and recommend.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 09:19 PM
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2. This is why the 'coolness' of President Obama is so crucial.
He's not giving up at all. I love his patience-in short supply here.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:41 PM
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55. Charlie Brown always showed coolness....
...as he lined up to kick the football..
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 09:22 PM
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3. I totally agree. It's easy to sit back and complain because we didn't get what
Edited on Tue Sep-21-10 09:22 PM by Frustratedlady
we wanted WHEN we wanted it, but while we're sitting around pointing our finger at Obama, what have WE accomplished?

The poor guy isn't Super Man. Work with him and be patient.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 09:23 PM
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4. I am sitting here in America in disbelief
What is happening the the Obama Administration is a :wtf: moment in history.

The right and the m$M (same thing) have gone from a few short years condemning all those who did not unconditionally supporting the President to condemning all those who support him. :wtf:
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blue sky at night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 09:23 PM
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5. the reason we are so fucked up????
we can't wait for anything...oh, Obama didn't fix the world in 20 months time...fuck it, he has to go, I am soooooo disappointed!
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 03:42 PM
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62. Just wait another 6 years. Then we'll get justice.
Yeah, that's the fucking ticket!

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

It'll be easier to start rounding up the criminals then. We need to wait.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 09:25 PM
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6. Ive been in Europe and Africa a few times since Obama took office
The sentiment in this piece is what I've heard. People are amazed at our (Americas)continued foolishness.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 09:30 PM
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8. they're amazed at what we think are high gas prices
that's because, since they don't live here, THEY DON'T KNOW THE WHOLE STORY
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 09:27 PM
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7. K & R
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 09:32 PM
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9. K&R n/t
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 09:34 PM
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10. I concur, however, that won't change anyones mind. If we are fortunate we will retain
Congress. It should be quite obvious that the corporate media is doing everything in their power to see republicans control Congress

Just watch any financial network, 80% of the analysts and commentators say wall street wants the repukes

There is a reason for that, and it has to do with getting rid of all regulations, destroying unions, privatizing social security and medicare

Things could get a lot worse if we lose

Those who are dismayed with the administration and the lack of progress, will soon realize if we lose Congress, that the two parties are not the same

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 09:40 PM
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11. No surprise whatsoever here in Australia
Given the abysmal state of the American economy, the American health care system and the half hearted half measures put forth in response, people wonder how Americans stand for the sort of corporate pandering and abuse that they receive from politicians in both parties.

Europeans no doubt wonder the same thing.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 10:05 AM
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42. I seriously doubt that even Australians would expect a speedy
correction to the many years of repuke rule and abuse. :eyes:
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 07:23 PM
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75. How far would you like to set the bar out?
And how much money for Goldman Sachs before everything will be better?
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 02:12 AM
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90. Definately more time than you have apparently given it which is
Edited on Thu Sep-23-10 02:13 AM by Kahuna
hardly any time at all. Less than two years???? Really??? Nobody is THAT good. :eyes:
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 08:06 PM
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103. He said he was that good
And I believed him. Most of the people who asked for time said 2 years at the most and everything would be fine.

Mind you, I'd have more patience if less people were getting kicked out of their homes and jobs, but since that is the case, I'd really like to see some solid steps AT LEAST in the right direction.

Is that too much to ask? Or is he really "not that good"?
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:57 PM
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57. That's funny - Your comments totally betray those of all the people I know from Australia.
Whom, to a man or woman, say that system of government is even more fucked than ours.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 07:46 PM
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77. Exactly. The latest government debacle is proof
My husband, who unlike a certain poster in this forum, is a BORN and RAISED Australian is so disgusted with the political system here it's insane. All of my in-laws and Aussie friends have various levels of disgust with the system. In some ways it works, in alot of ways it is broken beyond repair.

The greatest thing about it imo is that it is compulsory and people vote on Saturday, meaning that they will get substantially higher numbers of voters than in the States.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 08:49 PM
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81. To post a counter view
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 08:52 PM by depakid
Ms. Depa is an Aussie journo and longtime active member of the Labor party. She looks at the two systems- having lived in both countries- and sees our problems here as minuscule ]not anywhere close to the same league as what's going on even in the current government, in America much less what occurred under Bush.

I guess it's all in the ability to put things into objective perspective.

*note: that's not meant to defend the current NSW Labor government- they're out come next election, but even they pale in comparison to what one finds in many if not most American states.

Bottom line is that the Australian governments even the Liberal ones- can and do have the ability to solve problems with responsible and effective public policies.

The response to the GFC alone ought to tell you that.





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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 08:42 PM
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80. Apparently you don't understand Australian's propensity for self-deprecation
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 08:56 PM by depakid
To a person- whether Liberal, Labor or Green who hears facts about the nature of the American political system and the current and past governments' actions and inactions expresses utter dismay (if not some disbelief) at how Americans:

A. Have allowed their society and government (current and past) to decline to this point; and

B. How Americans put up with the situation.

That includes the economy, working conditions, medical bankrupties (and monstrous premiums and coinsurance requirements) the level of outright- and basically legalized- bribery, corruption and the voting machines.

To name but a few things that come up from time to time- most recently at pre-polling and during booth work, where we all three major (and sometimes another few minor) parties reps have a lot of time to discuss these things (and unlike America, we can and actually do so amicably)
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 09:41 PM
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12. Couldn't agree more with the following from the OP
"Can we expect him to solve all these problems he did not create, and to do so immediately? If we do, are we acting like spoiled children?"
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 09:47 PM
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13. +100
Many Americans are spoiled, by having it all for so long.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 09:59 PM
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15. Spoiled is not the word one would use from most first world nation's perspectives
Now, if you want to make comparisons to say, Mexico or El Salvador maybe that's relatively so.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:36 PM
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20. Yep, you are right.
What I should have said was the sense of entitlement I have come across in certain people, because at one time most of the hitech innovation was coming from the US. And the sense of superiority even over "old Europe", etc.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 09:50 PM
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14. +1 n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:00 PM
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16. The World should be a little prepared for something
Edited on Tue Sep-21-10 10:21 PM by Cha
like this after the US corporatemediawhores gave us bushcheney for 8 years and the bombing War on Iraq.

It's the US "media's" manufacturing and manipulation at it again.



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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:04 PM
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17. Makes you wonder what people all over the world think about our politics.
I'm so embarrassed for what our political system has become. Especially more so today.
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suzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 08:12 AM
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33. If I were to question our political system as compared to the rest of the world, I
I'd ask myself, "How many ethnic minorities have been elected to the top office in the nation in Australia, France, Britain?"

Where's the Algerian who heads up the French, the person of Bahamaman descent as Prime Minister of England, the original Australian in charge?

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AC_Mem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:07 PM
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18. Hear Hear
If only every American could really HEAR these words.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:35 PM
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19. Carry that water
Come over here and I'll piss in your bucket to make it smell better.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 11:32 PM
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22. what a nice civil response /nt
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 10:06 AM
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43. How rude! When did kpete EVER carry water for the administration?
:crazy:
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 05:10 PM
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67. You already have a bucket for that.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 07:38 PM
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102. .
:nopity::cry::nopity:
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 11:21 PM
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21. It's not the PACE, it's the DIRECTION.
The disbelieving world needs to understand that. And anyone who uses "spoiled children" is not to be taken seriously.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 11:50 PM
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25. I am just curious, when you have people like both nelsons, bayh, lincoln, and a whole host of blue
dogs, including some who a few of us were not aware of like dodd, along with LIEberman, what else could have happened?

The only way it will change is to provide a challenge to those blue dogs and turncoats, however, some of those states where they come from are to the right, so it wouldn't be easy

Even though the pseudo-media presented the view that the Democrats have the majority, that is far from an accurate representation

The administration came in with an assumption that they could work with the repukes, and should have realized after 6 months, it wasn't going to happen. I suspect they realize that now, though with all the corporate interests permeating Congress I doubt they could have gotten viable HCR or financial reform other than what they got.





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kurtzapril4 Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 08:53 PM
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82. Yeah...but...
The administration put a lot of money into defeating Lincoln's progressive challenger. How do you explain that?
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 09:09 AM
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95. I am not an apologist for the administration, nor do I agree with a lot of what they have done
I was just wondering how we would do it with the current makeup of the Congress

You are correct in pointing out that the administration backed the non-progressive, which was wrong, however, Arkansas is not as moderate as it was when Clinton was president, and I am skeptical if we would succeed either way



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Phlem Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 10:28 PM
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86. You know....
I'm not a rocket scientist but even I could have told you, you can't bargain with the right. You can't expect cooperation, reason, understanding, anything having to do the fellow ship of man. The ONLY way to talk to the right is money and power. Why the fuck would anyone think otherwise is way beyond me. Have we not learned anything from the eight years prior?!

Man if we can't keep up with the game then "We're not in our league"!

I hope him the best in the time he's got left but more importantly I hope the best for us all know matter who finally leads the progressive agenda!

Now that's something I'll vote for!

-p
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 09:11 AM
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96. Agreed, but my point is as long as Congress is made up with blue dogs, we will have a very
difficult time getting things through






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backtomn Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 09:34 PM
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85. The "spoiled children" comment is par for the course
I have traveled all over the world and am amazed at how little people understand about the U.S., its people and its politics (other than what they see in movies). We complain about corporate media here, but the media is MUCH more monolithic in other countries.

I agree that it is silly to expect the current administration to have corrected EVERYTHING in 2 years, but a person calling us "spoiled children" is the one sounding far more childish.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 09:02 AM
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93. The complainers ARE spoiled cause the do little BUT complain vs get more congress people to help
...take the country in the right direction.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 11:47 PM
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23. k*r
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 11:49 PM
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24. Take them down BO. Take them down. n/t
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 11:51 PM
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26. After the vote today I can blame, quite logically, ALL Repubs---even Collins oh and Conservadems. n/
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:13 AM
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27. The Senate has been the biggest roadblock to getting Progressive policies passed.
Yes, we got 58 Democratic votes in the 2008 election as well as Lieberman and Sanders.

However, they weren't 58 PROGRESSIVE Democratic votes.

Only about 46 were anywhere close to Progressive/liberal.

The other 12 were moderate/conservative Democrats to varying degrees.


Any compromise or weakening of legislation has been to get the votes of those dozen Democrats and Lieberman.

That's been the major problem in getting strong progressive legislation passed these nearly past two years.

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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 02:05 AM
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32. Senators are elected by their districts, and if the district is Blue Dog what do you think they'll
... send to Washington?

In today's voted did you notice AT ALL that 98% of Democrats voted FOR this bill that will repeal DADT? That includes all those folks excoriated here as "traitors."

In today's vote, did you notice AT ALL that 100% of the Republicans voted NO?

Who exactly are the people that are going to work WITH us? Only other Democrats. If you get rid of all the ones not progressive enough for your liking, then their centrist districts, their Blue Dog districts, and their conservative districts are not going to send a progressive to the House or the Senate. They're likely to send a Republican.

Just sayin'.

Hekate
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:21 PM
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52. No, Senators are not elected by districts, but by States
And the rest of your thinking is based on similar 'almost but not quites'. In the vote yesterday, I noticed the Democrats did some theater that did not pass the bill, which was blocked by Republicans called 'blue dogs'. Webb might as well be Trent Lott.
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metapunditedgy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 09:00 PM
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83. ... is a fairy tale. How hard have Obama and other elected Democrats pushed these issues?
Americans, when polled, strongly support the so-called "progressive" issues that the so-called "blue dogs" are voting down.

Let's see... voters strongly support, no one is taken to task for their right-wing voting trends. Do the math. They are confusing corporations and their own personal self-interest with the good of the country.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:31 AM
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28. Kicked and Rec'd
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:39 AM
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29. K&R.
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:46 AM
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30. I have many friends all over the world. They are
amazed by what we're doing to this man. All of them - without exception - are willing to trade their leaders for him tomorrow morning. They think he's amazing. They're right, of course, but sadly they're also smarter than most people in this country.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 09:55 AM
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38. Ain't that the truth!! n/t
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:57 AM
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31. I feel the same disbelief every time I see the usual tripe from the Perpetually Outraged
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 02:00 AM by ClarkUSA
It's important to note that a large majority of self-described liberals have always strongly approved of Pres. Obama's job performance according to every poll taken since he came into office. Unfortunately, there are way too many Americans who are acting like "spoiled children," ignorant racists or bitter sore loser malcontents.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 08:16 AM
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34. Big rec'd - I hope the 'spoiled children' read this. nt
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blueworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 08:30 AM
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35. God, this is a tiresome crock of vocabulary simply to get publicity
And the best way to illustrate contempt-oops, I mean the best way to influence opinions is resort to name-calling, like cool, professional adults should. The Dems use the term "spoiled", the GOP used to attack patriotism.

Apparently debate is only a desirable political tool when everyone agrees. Unless "everyone" is the GOP, in that case they're ideologues who march in lockstep.

Isn't there anyone left in this country who doesn't demand complete obedience & adoration on a daily basis? The endless ego-trip using "them" for fuel. I hope those who consider themselves "unspoiled" get the message. :sarcasm:
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 10:03 AM
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41. Surreal, ain't it? Yet we "spoiled children" are tasked to "make him do it".
Nice double-bind, a recipe for neurosis.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 12:18 AM
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88. Debate is great
arguing a point is great but when members of your own team have given up how is the quarterback (Football season) supposed to lead the team?

We can complain and we can bitch all we want but in November if WE don't do our part and keep the Senate and the House then who will be blamed. President Obama is fighting from all sides trying to get something done (No he hasn't pleased me every step of the way) and he has a weak will Harry Reid who isn't doig shit in the Senate.

What we need is for Harry to win his election and then replace him with someone that will knock the Repugs in the chin everytime they start their shit. There are over 300 bills sitting at the Senates door, there are hundreds of nominees sitting in limbo because Harry Reid refuses to get rid of the filibuster because of his election.

Get out and Vote and get our team back in November, then we call them every dam day until the new session when they can change the rules.

There is no fear card, if the Republicans get in power it is Guaranteed the the government will come to a complete standstill.

I am going to vote in November and I will support the Democratic candidates in the state of WA.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 09:14 AM
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36. K&R I may not like everything Pres. Obama has done, I will still
back him.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 09:53 AM
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37. Well said. Good article.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 09:56 AM
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39. Very good article. The author nails it
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 09:59 AM
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40. K&R...nt
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 10:11 AM
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44. I watch in disbelief myself. Great article. K&R. nt
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 10:14 AM
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45. The world community is often more perceptive than the average American and after 8 years of Bush
they know a statesman when they see one instead of a buffoon. Americans want immediate results and have no patients and don't recognize all the good this president has done.
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carolinayellowdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:01 PM
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46. It takes brass balls to claim to speak for the whole world n/t
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:21 PM
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47. K & R
:thumbsup:
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:22 PM
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48. Very good article.
Thanks!

"When he was elected, he inherited probably the worst presidential legacy of any President in U.S. history....

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Don't we understand that things take time, and that with the impossible legacy he inherited, the President of the United States has achieved more than has any other President in his first half-term?"




The five paragraphs in between these two quotes from the article are an excellent list.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:24 PM
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49. So Huffington takes a breather from trashing the President? nt
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:59 PM
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50. I am really sick and tired of the ignorance of many of the American people.
Even in my own family, they are too quick to judge, are impatient and believe much of what is not true.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:04 PM
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51. Stupidity, willful ignornace, impatience, short-term thinking
Call it whatever you want, but regardless of the direction from which the anger is coming and the reason, it's all a toxic brew.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:27 PM
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53. We can blame one man -- but Obama isn't the one
Name of Bush or, alternatively, guy named Cheney.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:32 PM
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54. This man is an Investment Banker.
A straight, rich man who does not even live in the United States. Am I supposed to be surprised that a Bankster is happy with the cash flow as it has been? That a Bankster is not a liberal, that he does not like liberals?
He's a scum sucking, exploitative greed monster, taking more and more when he has long had too much. One assumes he got bail out cash deluxe.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:53 PM
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56. I was really surprised at the woman at the CNBC town hall meeting.
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 01:53 PM by Phx_Dem
"I'm deeply disappointed that I haven't seen the change you promised." (paraphrased).

Really? You didn't notice the "change" in passing a Health Care Reform bill after 40 years of trying, or the "change" in passing a Financial Reform bill that helps to protect consumers, or the unprecedented success in education reform (Newsweek had a great story about it last week)? What about all those infrastructure projects that are being done to strengthen the country's pathetically bad infrastructure? You miss that too? Did you have a fucking clue about the tax cut you got? What about the President extending spousal rights to GLBT federal employees? Stem cell reversal? Anything? Bueller?

WTF lady? How about providing some specifics about what change you were expecting that you haven't seen. And keep in mind it's only been two years -- he's not fucking a miracle-worker.

And I was even more disgusted with Jon Stewart's segment last night. He showed clips of Obama promising to reform health care (DONE!), financial markets (DONE!) and Guantanamo (work in progress), and left viewers to believe that none of the three issues he promised had been done. In fact, 2 out of 3 have been done, and Stewart knows it. WTF was wrong with him?

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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 02:28 PM
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58. Same old strawmen, same old slap at the voters
This should end well. :popcorn:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 02:42 PM
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59. Another parasite telling us that the parasites are doing what is best for everyone.
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 02:43 PM by Greyhound
Prior to founding Galileo, Georges Ugeux joined the New York Stock Exchange in September 1996, as Group Executive Vice President, International & Research. He built and managed the Exchange’s International Group and, during his tenure, spearheaded the listing of 308 companies from 43 countries, out of the 470 non-US companies listed on the NYSE with an aggregate value of $2.7 trillion. During that same period, the NYSE’s international trading moved from 40 to 140 million shares a day. He was also in charge of the NYSE’s relationships with foreign Stock Exchanges, Regulators and Governments.

In 1988, he was appointed Group Finance Director at Société Générale de Belgique, the leading Belgian diversified industrial and financial conglomerate. In 1992, he became president of Kidder, Peabody Europe as well as Managing Director while serving as a member of the Management Committee and the Board of Directors of Kidder, Peabody, Inc. He was also a member of the European Corporate Executive Council of General Electric Inc.

From 1995 until joining the NYSE, Georges Ugeux served as President of the European Investment Fund, a Euro 2 billion public-private partnership created by the Heads of State and Government of the European Union at the Edinburgh Summit. He also chaired the Kingdom of Belgium’s Privatization Commission, at the time of the Belgacom privatization.

Georges Ugeux is also a director of Amoeba Capital, British American Business, Inc., and the French-American Chamber of Commerce. He sits on the International Advisory Board of the Vlerick Leuven Gent Management School and Oxford Analytica.


Not all the parasites are American.


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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 02:44 PM
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60. Hit a nerve, did he?
:rofl:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 02:58 PM
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61. Not at all.
But he is what he is and has done what he has done. Simply because he releases a statement that momentarily supports your narrative doesn't make him a friend.

The enemy of my enemy is not my friend, he's just another enemy that may be temporarily useful, as you are.


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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 05:09 PM
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66. Uh huh. Sure. I believe ya. Really.
:rofl:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 05:37 PM
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68. No belief required whatsoever, just look it up for yourself.
He and his organizations are among Europe's leading proponents of the race to the bottom.

It's all readily available to anyone interested in learning, but then you make it apparent that you are not one of those.
:kick:

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 07:28 PM
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76. lol! Look what up? Overblown rhetoric?
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 08:14 PM by ClarkUSA
:rofl:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 01:49 AM
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89. exactly as expected...
Refusal to learn seems to have been a life-long habit for you. Congratulations.


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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 09:46 AM
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97. Boy, Mr. Ugeux must've hit a bulls-eye. Sounds like that nerve is still raw.
Edited on Thu Sep-23-10 10:03 AM by ClarkUSA
Better put some ice on that.

:rofl:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 12:48 PM
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98. Now you're just repeating yourself.
But go ahead and have your last word and give this another kick.
:kick:

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 12:59 PM
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99. Still smarting? Mr. Ogeux is spot-on: "spoiled children" indeed.
Edited on Thu Sep-23-10 01:14 PM by ClarkUSA
"Can we continue to blame just one man for all of our woes? Can we expect him to solve all these problems he did not create, and to do so immediately? If we do, are we acting like spoiled children?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=450827&mesg_id=450827

What a great response by Mr. Ogeux to all of Obama 24/7 caterwauling critics... from both sides of the aisle.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 03:43 PM
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63. How about DU/HuffPo/FDL darling Yves Smith?
"Yves has spent more than 25 years in the financial services industry and currently heads Aurora Advisors, a New York-based management consulting firm specializing in corporate finance advisory and financial services. Prior experience includes Goldman Sachs (in corporate finance), McKinsey & Co., and Sumitomo Bank (as head of mergers and acquisitions)."
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Ramulux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 03:49 PM
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64. I think the best representation of how people look at us
are shown in those Korean 3d animations. Our political system and media is a joke and people all over the world understand that.
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carolinayellowdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 04:11 PM
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65. It's about Republicans, being used to attack progressive Dems
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 04:12 PM by carolinayellowdog
This line is very explicit in calling out the Republicans, aka the opposition:

"Of course, the opposition will blame the President: that's all they can do since they have had nothing to offer for two years and essentially caused the problems Mr. Obama is now facing during the previous eight years when they were the majority Party."

and so is this:

"Truly responsible leaders should not encourage disappointment among the American people. They should not foster fear and dissension."

and there is no way in hell this is applicable to progressive Democratic critics of the administration:

"Can we continue to blame just one man for all of our woes? Can we expect him to solve all these problems he did not create, and to do so immediately?"

All progressive Democrats know how far back the problems go, and who is largely responsible for them, and that the road ahead is a very long one. But because they express disappointment with the pace and direction of change, with the failure to keep promises, they have become the target of relentless partisan hatemongering, accused of whining, treated like the opposition, hounded relentlessly on a site that once felt like home. Seems like there will be daily, and increasingly vicious, attacks on progressives by centrists here, even when they have to use weapons that are tangential at best and totally irrelevant at worst.



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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 05:41 PM
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69. The world can piss off, too.
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 05:43 PM by JoeyT
It's not their civil liberties being trampled, so I don't expect them to care.

What has been done is legalized assassinations without trials, indefinite detention, and many others.

Legalized assassinations with no trial are ALL Obama. Created entirely under his watch by his order. Spoiled children my ass.

Edited to add: And for the interest of the world: The people in the south are being screwed over by the claims process. Just like we said they would be.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 05:42 PM
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70. KICK AND FUCKING RECOMMENDED!! I can't believe that today...
People here on DU are blaming the president for the Senate's action re: DADT!!

Someone please tell me how it's Obama's fault????
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 05:56 PM
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71. excellent article-
K&R with gratitude.

:hi:
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 06:02 PM
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72. K&R, mostly because this will make a few heads explode.
Pro-Obama story espousing a pragmatic viewpoint + HuffPost = BOOM!

:evilgrin:
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 06:26 PM
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73. They probably have single payer healthcare
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 06:26 PM by LittleBlue
They're not affected by his domestic policy, so why would their opinions even be valid?
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 06:32 PM
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74. They're referring to the teabaggers
My jaw drop in disbelief too.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 08:25 PM
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78. Can they explain why Obama has ordered more drone attacks in 2 years than in 8 years of Bush?
Can they explain why he would quietly sign an authorization for another 50 billion or so for wars against Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq (supposedly for our national security), creating legions of new America-haters while at the same time denying the humanitarian use of an air-base in Pakistan for relief efforts?

Can they explain why he didn't stand up for single-payer Health Care?

Can they explain why he gave hundred of billions for a bank bailout but did not get America back to work with a real make-word, FDR jobs plan?

Can they explain why he didn't force the banks to stop home foreclosures and renegotiate loans terms?

Can they explain why he continues to allow people's lives to be ruined for marijuana offenses?

Can they explain why he refused to allow investigations into Bush/Cheney's war crimes? Torture investigations?

Or why he drags his feet on DADT?

No, we are not acting like spoiled children.

More like children who are watching their parents spend their lunch money on whores and gambling.

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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 09:04 AM
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94. I can explain that Obama isn't perfect but he's the best this country has had in a long time and...
...the complainers do more complaining than ground pounding to get more congress people to fight for the agenda they want
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Mefistofeles Donating Member (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 08:31 PM
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79. Ugeux polled the world?
Interesting.
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 09:23 PM
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84. It's a need for instant gratification - fostered in part by the half hour
sitcom format and one hour feature format.

Tell a story and resolve it in 30 minutes to and hour. And now we expect life to be like that.
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 11:50 PM
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87. Forget the naysayers. The World was happy when President Obama
got elected. He is doing awesome and am still backing him!

Thank you for this post!
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 08:41 AM
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91. ...and once again, it's all the leftist's fault
Odd, considering we're also told that we should be fighting the GOP as a common enemy. It must take talent to talk out of both sides of one mouth.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 03:17 PM
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100. Um, no. Did you bother to read the first paragraph in the OP at all?
Edited on Thu Sep-23-10 03:21 PM by ClarkUSA
Here, I'll help you:

"Of course, the opposition will blame the President: that's all they can do since they have had nothing to offer for two years and essentially caused the problems Mr. Obama is now facing during the previous eight years when they were the majority Party."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=450827&mesg_id=450827

Here's some food for thought:

"Can we continue to blame just one man for all of our woes? Can we expect him to solve all these problems he did not create, and to do so immediately? If we do, are we acting like spoiled children?"

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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 08:57 AM
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92. Easy for them to say, they all have Health Care.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 07:22 PM
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101. most of the Germans I know are disappointed in him, and often more so than Americans
Edited on Thu Sep-23-10 07:59 PM by MisterP
since they live on a continent with a left wing, so Blairites with personality cults aren't defended against those disappointed in them (and the people of Yemen, Somalia, Afghanistan, Ethiopia, Pakistan, Palestine, many in Israel, and perhaps (not too soon) Iran can't be too enthused about him)

besides, "they haven't had enough time" is the meme for ODD-numbered years: the proper excuse for 2010 would be "look how terrible the Black Hats are; we must support each and every White Hat for the corn they might hide in the feces that most of them will serve to us"
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