CA Senate: Fiorina hits Boxer as "arrogant" and Boxer's masterful comeback

[WI_DEM]

Former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina is going on the air Thursday with an ad attacking Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) for her "arrogance."

The ad begins with Boxer asking a general to call her "senator" instead of "ma'am" in a committee hearing. Fiorina then delivers a brief, but poignant attack.

"Twenty-eight years in Washington and Sen. Boxer works hard for a title?" she says, set against an all black background. "I'll really go to work, to end the arrogance in Washington."

The commercial then goes silent with a picture of Boxer and the words "so wrong, too long" on the screen.

The ad touches on an undercurrent in the race: Boxer is running for a fourth term, something that a California senator hasn't done since Alan Cranston (D) in 1986. Republicans believe that's a problem for Boxer because Californians tire of career politicians and Fiorina is trying to show that Boxer has become a creature of Washington.

Boxer's camp immediately fired back at the ad. "We're happy to compare Barbara Boxer's record of delivering for Californians with Carly Fiorina's record of layoffs and shipping jobs overseas," campaign manager Rose Kapolczynski said in a statement. "Californians are fed up with the arrogance of CEOs who take multi-million dollar bonuses and golden parachutes while the middle class suffers."

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[AtomicKitten]

1. Nice shot, Babs.

K&R

[Tippy]

2. K&R

[pnorman]

3. I LOVE it!

"Californians are fed up with the arrogance of CEOs who take multi-million dollar bonuses and golden parachutes while the middle class suffers."

[BeyondGeography]

4. Cruella de Fiorina thinks she actually earned those tens of millions

that were shoveled her way by the self-dealing corporate welfare state.

It's funny.

[JDPriestly]

30. Think of it. Most of the money she claims she earned was actually

a sort of bribe to get her to finally go away and leave HP alone. She failed at HP. Why can't we just say that? She failed at HP. That's why they paid her so much money to go away.

[BeyondGeography]

33. Correct...Stock price lost half its value during her tenure

http://www.cnbc.com/id/30502091/Portfolio_s_Worst_American_CEOs_of_All_Time?slide=3

[glitch]

68. That fact needs to be hammered along with the huge bonuses while outsourcing. nt

[butterfly77]

65. Lol!

Exactly,who she reminds me of..CRUELLA.:rofl:

[emulatorloo]

5. And honestly, Boxer was 100% correct to ask the general to call her Senator

rather than "ma'am".

It is like calling a general "Dude."

If that is the best Florina has, then she's got nothing.

[Inuca]

12. I disagree

I think it's like calling a man "sir", especially when coming from a military man. I wish Boxer did not make that comment. That being said, Fiorina's ad is stupid and mean.

[hlthe2b]

13. Actually, when one testifies before Congress, there are

formalities, procedures and expectations. Being a member of the military does not negate the fact that they should have taken their pre-appearance briefing (that is provided to everyone who testifies before a congressional committee) seriously. It is inappropriate to address a female Senator differently from a male Senator. Those arguing a case for the first time before the Supreme Court are likewise given briefings on procedure and what is expected.

This is really no different than the expectations on the President to conform to the cultural traditions of other countries and leaders when making diplomatic appearances on their soil. I can assure you that General Petraeus has had to adapt his behavior to some of those "norms" as well. Being in uniform does not excuse you from those behavioral norms. If anything, it should increase the expectation that they would follow those requirements.

[DMNinFL]

23. NOPE!

>they should have taken their pre-appearance briefing (that is provided to everyone who testifies before a congressional committee) seriously.

I have testified before Congressional committee three times. There was NEVER a "pre-appearance briefing." Not a formal or semiformal one.

[hlthe2b]

24. Are you a member of the military testifying in unform?

I call bull shit. :eyes: FAIL. Try again.

[DMNinFL]

67. Call Bullshit all you want.

It doesn't mean you know squat.
It seems you know little about how Congressional Committee or sub-committee hearings work. If they (the Congressmen and women) on the committee know you, you don't go through a lost off the bullshit. I testified in 1987, 1989, and 1993. No briefings, indoctrination, or anything on all three occasions.

[kenfrequed]

72. Uhm

The expectations of a serviceman appearing before congress are vastly different than a private citizen.

[gkhouston]

16. No, it was very appropriate. The DOD types I've come into contact with are uber-conscious

of titles/ranks. He damned well should have gotten it right. That he didn't was probably intentional.

[thereismore]

21. I agree that ma'am coming from a military man is respectful, but if Sen. Boxer

wants to be called "Senator", she has the right to it. It's like saying 'Don't call me Sir, call me Captain.' Nothing wrong with that. Fiorina's got nothing but mud. She is playing to the primitive minds.

[JDPriestly]

31. Fiorina is playing to the sexist attitudes of so many Republican men.

She must be meeting with some resistance on that account.

California Republicans seem to have thought that by putting two women in as their candidates, they could attract additional female voters. It's probably not working as they hoped. The suburban women that they normally might have a chance of drawing out are really hurting because of the foreclosures. The suburbs have been worst hit by the economic crisis. Having women as candidates was not a bad move but probably not drawing the women they had hoped.

And the women they chose are particularly abrasive to the typical male macho voter. So, this is probably why Fiorina is drawing attention to Boxer's demand that military officers show her the respect that she shows them.

[thereismore]

38. Interesting. I hope she goes down in flames. With her parachute and all. nt

[MadMaddie]

28. Just as a Major or Colonel have earned their right to be called

Major, Colonel or sir, Boxer has earned the right to be addressed as Senator.

[xxqqqzme]

47. I'm glad she said it!

That general was addressing the male senators as 'Senator'. When he addressed Boxer, he didn't. He was treating her like 'the little lady'. It was insulting.

[AlbertCat]

52. He was treating her like 'the little lady'.

Bingo....



Besides that, what does what she asks to be called have to do with her voting record, or what she's done for CA or the USA?

Repugs got nothing to run on!

[orleans]

56. exactly. it was fucking condescending for him to call her that

sexism: still a good thing in the small minds of some

[Cosmocat]

18. I don't think it is going to play well for Fiorino ...

I have a pretty good feel for Boxer, I am sure she made the comment to push back at general ...

I also don't think this type of ad is going to do favors for Fiorino, women will get what was going on with this ...

[MgtPA]

36. I agree - I think "ma'am" is quite sexist.

[Hekate]

59. It was a display of male dominance, something women (especially tiny ones) are all too familiar with

It was gratingly reminiscent of the Clarence Thomas hearings, where Professor Anita Hill was called Miss Hill until I wanted to scream. What did they call Thomas? Judge Thomas, every single goddamned time. But for the woman with a PhD and a university professorship? "Miss Hill" -- like she was the departmental secretary. Arlen Specter's condescension was so thick you could have cut it with a knife.

Before you think I'm dissing the secretaries of the world, let me tell you I spent years as one, and I know all too well where they rank on the totem pole. As a woman, I was so proud of Anita Hill for her achievements, and resented how she was treated by the all-male committee.

I'm sorry, but rank and title mean something in this world, particularly in formal settings, and every military man knows that. That general was doing a dominance display on Senator Boxer the way a roomful of generals is said to have done on their new CIC Obama the first time he had them in for a serious discussion, him not ever having worn a uniform and all.

Beyond that, Senator Boxer is such a short woman that she usually has a box placed behind whatever podium she is going to be speaking from, so she's sure to not be hidden from view. I top her by only a couple of inches, and I can certainly relate to how it is when tall men of status deliberately move in close enough to make you have to tilt your head back to look at their faces -- making it clear you can't "look them in the eye" and that they want you to know who is top dog and who is not. Body language speaks volumes in that situation.

Carly Fiorina is an ass.

Hekate

[hlthe2b]

6. You know, I watched that ad, trying to think of a typical man viewing

Barbara comes across as politely assertive, yet elegant--in both looks and demeanor. Fiorino comes across as arrogant and crass--in both looks and demeanor. I should think this ad might give pause to a variety of men and women...

[wiggs]

15. Typical Rovian politics...attack opponent's strength (even if a lie) and claim

strength on your own weaknesses (go ahead and lie). Remember when Rove said Bush was brilliant and a political genius? Same thing...Kerry is a coward, Obama can't speak without a teleprompter, etc etc etc

[Alameda]

55. I hate Fiorina...she reminds me of a high school "Mean Girl"...

that statement about Boxer's hair was typical. Like she should talk about her hair?...like it's about hair???

[PADemD]

62. Bingo

and catty, too

[karynnj]

66. The hair thing was completely obnoxious and very likely a trap

Had Democrats responded in kind about Carly's hair, she would have played victim as she had had cancer treatments.

[Enrique]

7. golden parachute

the thing with the general looks bad, but everyone's seen it, and it doesn't really affect anyone.

But Carly's golden parachute looks a million times worse, and a lot of people don't know about it yet.

[JDPriestly]

32. As a woman of a certain age, Boxer's thing with the general looks very good.

So, this ad will affect different voters in different ways. Women in my age group had to go through a lot of really disrespectful treatment from men in the workplace when we were young. And even not so long ago.

[opihimoimoi]

8. Such is the result of Negative Campaigning sometimes...backfire

GOP BULLYs...this is what they do/act/traits

Unfair and GREEDY

Vain n Egotistical

Void of Reason, Sanity, and Clarity

Stubborn

Negative outlook

Dominators and their Dominated = REPUBLICAN PARTY

The wimpy ones do not post an R on their banners and yard signs...WTF?

[Oceansaway]

9. wooooohoooooo !!...nt

[Amerigo Vespucci]

10. That response just needs to be HAMMERED over and over and OVER again.

A standard Republican trick...often used by Rove, among others...is to "define the playing field," to put the opponent on permanent defense and "response mode," to the point where they are so busy defending themselves against their opponent that they're taking no time to speak of their own agenda.

To Senator Boxer's credit, and that of her campaign as well, she hasn't taken that bait.

And now, because Fiorina wants to make it a persona attact, the boxer campaign responds with a succinct, accurate smack-down, and then gets back to business.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is how it should be done. Kudos to the Boxer campaign.

Fiorina is among the worst that humanity has to offer. This woman should never be given a position of power again, whether in the private sector or in government.

:patriot:

[Cleita]

11. All I know about Senator Boxer is when I contact her

with my concerns, I get a personal answer back detailing what she has done and is attempting to do in the Senate and for Californians to address my concerns. I do not get the same attention from my other Senator, Dianne Feinstein and doubt I would from Carly Fiorini. Carly is just another opportunist hired by special interests to help them continue their raid on our Treasury, activities that Barbara Boxer has voted against again and again. She has obstructed their completing their plan to get all our tax money and that is why they want her out.

[femrap]

14. Very good response.

I love Boxer...she was the only Senator to stand for Recount in '05.

[PopSixSquish]

17. I Love the Smell of Desperation in the Morning

Honestly, most people who see that ad are going to think WTF? A Senator is to be called Senator, a General is to be called General and so on...

Nice blast back from her campaign. Don't mess with Senator Boxer!

[KingFlorez]

19. Fiorina really can't do any better than that

Boxer has pulled ahead and she's resorting to a cheap, pointless attack over something that wasn't a big deal. I think it's more arrogant to legitimize outsourcing you did as a CEO.

[Cha]

20. Like she started with when she snarked on Babara's hair? nt

[KingFlorez]

57. That too

And that was right after the primary. She started the campaign out petty.

[customerserviceguy]

22. Y'know, I fear Snarly Carly more than I fear Prissy Chrissy in the Senate

O'Donnell is just stupid, Fiorina is a conniving shrew.

[Jack Rabbit]

25. That nailed Carly good.

(pumps fist) Yes!! (pumps fist) Yes!! (pumps fist) Yes!!

[DallasNE]

26. What Character Trait

Does Fiorina saying Boxer's hairstyle is "so yesterday" represent? Does she know anything other than personal attacks. It's all so petty and reflects on what is wrong in politics today.

[COLGATE4]

27. Pot, meet Kettle. n/t

[valerief]

29. Kapolczynski's remarks should be in an ad. nt

[kestrel91316]

34. "...arrogance of CEOs who take multi-million dollar bonuses and golden parachutes...

....while the middle class suffers"

THAT one's gonna leave a mark!!

:rofl:

[Political_Junkie]

35. Yes!

That's how it's done. Hope the rest of the Dems are watching.

[myrna minx]

37. K&R n/t

[Cass]

39. Oh SNAP!!

That is a great response from Boxer's team.

:woohoo:

[pacalo]

40. I love Barbara Boxer. And you know what? My dog responds to her voice on tv.

...when he's not busy with his piano lessons. :)

[Kajsa]

50. A Boxer for Boxer?

I LOVE it!!
:)

He is a cutie, is musical and has good judgment
when it comes to politicians!

:hi:

[pacalo]

71. Thanks! I'll pass that compliment on to him.

Seriously, I was watching Barbara on C-Span one day awhile back & when she was speaking, my dog's ears stood up, he turned his head to the tv, & he was fixated on the screen for a moment.

Dogs, particularly Boston Terriers, love to hear gentleness in humans' voices. Barbara's voice is most definitely easy on the ears.

:hi:

[wryter2000]

41. Ye gods.

Fiorina called Barbara Boxer arrogant? She must have been looking in a mirror when the word arrogant occurred to her.

[Overseas]

42. K&R. Very well said. //nt

[BlancheSplanchnik]

43. I sure hope that excellent retort was an ad with as much air time as Fiorina's

or more.

A fire back to the F. ad won't do much if it isn't aired as extensively as the original attack.

[bindelh]

44. Defeat Bohner 2010

Justin Coussoule Another Great Democrat

[Citizen Worker]

45. Setting the record straight. It's interesting that Boxer would attack Fiorina for outsourcing when

Boxer was one of 76 senators to vote in favor of the WTO. And no, I would never vote for Fiorina or any other republican. It's just a bit disingenuous for Boxer to criticize the very act that made outsourcing possible.

Link: http://www.citizen.org/trade/article_redirect.cfm?ID=15962

[NBachers]

53. Tell Joe Btfsplk

[autorank]

46. Palin-Bachman=Whitman-Fiorina

The corporate duo on California needs to be sent packing. If that election model fails for the right, then they've
got Palin-Bachman by default, a guaranteed 30% maximum percentage at the polls. Fiorina is particularly appalling
on jobs so this from Boxer is great: "Carly Fiorina's record of layoffs and shipping jobs overseas,"... Fiorina
is on record as being vary flip about US job losses. So now she's going to pay. Brown, Boxer - all the way.

[WillyT]

48. HUGE K & R !!!

:bounce::woohoo::bounce:

:rofl:

:kick:

[defendandprotect]

49. Nice . . .

[Kajsa]

51. Never mind that Barbara explained the

whole 'Ma'am' thing at the debate.

She and the general are fine, she spoke to
him afterwords to make sure they were cool.

Fiorina conveniently left that out, even after
saying at the debate,

" well, I take the general's word that it was resolved."

How do I despise thee, Carly Fiorina?

:grr:

Let me count the ways-------

[midnight]

54. Those of us in Wisconsin are fed up with the arrogance of CEO's

who take multi-million dollar bonuses and golden parachutes while the middle class suffers.... We should use that as a Democratic wide slogan....

[Lugnut]

58. K & f'n R! n/t

[saltpoint]

60. What, Boxer wants to be called 'Senator'? Fine with me,

for the next 6 years at the very least.

Very sure-footed response to Fiorina's ad.

[laughingliberal]

61. K & R nt

[Major Hogwash]

63. A $21 Million dollar parachute, by the way, paid for by the stockholders who got screwed twice!!

First when they hired her, and then she took the company on a roller coaster ride nothing the likes had ever been seen before, except by fans of Bill Agee who ruined Morrison-Knudsen in 1995.

And again when they fired her, to get her the hell out of there, and she successfully became "an instant millionaire" with her golden parachute after laying off 1000s of H-P workers.

Don't ask former employees of H-P here in Boise, Idaho what they think of Carly.
They still can't say her name without spitting out a dozen swear words when talking about her.

[Major Hogwash]

64. Why couldn't the Republicans find a less witchy witch than Carly to run against Barbara.

You know, get one like they have in Delaware.

"Well, that's it! I'm going to get on my broom and fly home to mother!"

LoL

[sellitman]

69. Why would anyone vote for a person who was fired for doing a lousy job?

She is a loser.

[cynzke]

70. Whitman is the "Arrogant" one!

Spending hundreds of millions just to be Governor. Meantime, you read stories about families that have to hold neighborhood bake sales to raise money to pay some medical procedure that a child or loved one needs that their insurance company won't cover.