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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:22 AM
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Alan Grayson Is Fighting Like A Real Democrat.
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/alan-grayson-fighting-real-democrat (See the video at the link)

Way to fight, Mr. Grayson! How refreshing to see a Democrat stand up to the forces of extremism, and use it against them, proving that Democrats in conservative areas don't have to play that Blue Dog game. I wish more Democratic incumbents would follow his example:

Reward good behavior here:

Democrats across the country are pawing around in the dark, searching for any way to flick a switch and end the political nightmare for incumbents that is 2010. A searing ad against Florida Republican Dan Webster has the challenger reeling and local media focusing attention on his extreme political positions, and it may serve to show a path forward for other Democrats facing challengers with views far outside the mainstream.

Republican operatives acknowledge that's the case in Alan Grayson's Orlando district, where the party faithful nominated former state senate majority leader Dan Webster, backed by religious extremists who push the revisionist view that America was founded as a Christian nation.

In an effort to highlight his more extreme views, Grayson, no slave to the concept of subtlety, has dubbed his opponent "Taliban Dan" in a recently released ad. It's not the kind of centrist positioning that a Washington consultant might recommend, but judging by the response from local media, it's working.

A WKMG reporter told Orlando television audiences, in a coup for Grayson: "Yes, Webster is opposed to all abortions, even for victims of rape and incest, an issue he doesn't want to talk about."

The reporter then proved his assertion by showing a damning clip of Webster refusing to answer a question from the reporter on the subject. Watch the clip of Webster stonewalling a reporter:

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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:30 AM
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1. God, if only we had a few more like him in Congress.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 10:45 AM
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2. Authenticity is becoming more and more demanded. The willingness
to take a position and get in there and fight for it, is fast
becoming a premium. While Angle has some really out there
positions, her authenticity --she really believes this stuff,
has carried her to a competitive.

No I am not comparing Grayson to Angle. Grayson illustrates
what a Democrat who stands on principle and believes strongly
enough to fight can do.

The American People are hungry for Leaders who believe in something
and will lead with courage of their convictions. The whackos
like Angle can fill the void if there are no principled party
particpants.





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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 12:25 PM
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3. Astonishing -- as if he doesn't even mind upsetting his Republican opponents!
So crazy, it just might work.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 12:34 PM
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4. So...one can be a Democrat, a liberal one, and still get down and dirty?
Whoulda thunk it?

The Coburn for Senate ad that appears on this page when I load it makes me sad.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 01:19 PM
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6. It used to be almost a requirement, till the mid-late 1970's when they started getting very soft...
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 01:21 PM by old mark
by the '80's and early '90's the Dems were GOP Lite, and I don't know what they think they are now.

If only we had 30 or so like him in Congress...or in the Administration...

mark
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 12:59 PM
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5. We need to send more people like Grayson to Washington.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 01:28 PM
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7. And to the White House n/t
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 08:19 AM
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8. Grayson's ad is a lie. Grayson actions are loathsome.
He should pull the ad and apologize for his deceptions. That's the only way a Democrat should vote for him.

He had dishonored Congress and himself.
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The Green Manalishi Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 08:27 AM
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9. Either you forgot the /sarc tag or
please take your meds.

Either a person believes that a wife *MUST* submit to her husband or they do not believe the Bible is the literal and unerring word of God.

Man. I really like Grayson!
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NoNothing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 10:22 AM
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10. Not sarcastic, I think
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The Green Manalishi Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 07:02 PM
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16. Oh my god!
Thank heavens the Republicans would never do something like this! Carl Rove must be outraged. Of course we should 'make nice' ASAP lest we risk moving the party agenda to the left of the DLC!

Screw Taliban Dan and his supporters. Grayson rocks.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 11:08 AM
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11. You are wildly misinformed, Green Manalishi
Grayson's opponent said EXACTLY the opposite of what Grayson's ad claimed.

Rep. Alan Grayson's 'Taliban' ad backfires
By ANDY BARR | 9/28/10 8:57 AM EDT Updated: 9/28/10 10:19 AM EDT

Rep. Alan Grayson's attempt to equate his Republican challenger with the Taliban is having a big impact — just not the one Grayson may have hoped.

In an ad, Grayson's campaign calls Republican Daniel Webster a "religious fanatic" — a charge it supports with video in which Webster seems to encourage wives to "submit" to their husbands. But FactCheck.org says the narrative crafted by the Florida Democrat's campaign distorts what Webster was actually saying.

"Grayson has lowered the bar even further. He's using edited video to make his rival appear to be saying the opposite of what he really said," the nonpartisan site, sponsored by the Annenberg Public Policy Center, wrote on its blog Monday. "Grayson manipulates a video clip to make it appear Webster was commanding wives to submit to their husbands, quoting a passage in the Bible. Four times, the ad shows Webster saying wives should submit to their husbands," the site points out. "In fact, Webster was cautioning husbands to avoid taking that passage as their own. The unedited quote is: 'Don't pick the ones that say, 'She should submit to me.'"

Grayson was also reprimanded by the Orlando Sentinel, which posted a story Monday headlined "Grayson's 'Taliban Dan' Ad Takes Webster's Words Out of Context, Twists Meaning." "By twisting Webster's words, Grayson risks eroding some of the support he may have won from independent voters," the paper concluded.

The ad has created an opening for Webster's campaign, which significantly trails Grayson's in fundraising.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/42818.html#ixzz10qCJCB4s
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 12:12 PM
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12. Were you this concern when Limbrain was calling Obama a HALFRICAN
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 05:41 PM
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15. Yes I was. Grayson is as bad as Limbaugh was in that case.
Edited on Tue Sep-28-10 05:41 PM by robcon
I used to like Grayson. Not any more. He's a liar, and a disgrace to Congress.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 07:04 PM
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17. sounds like you need some smelling salts.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 12:16 PM
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14. Grayson..
:kick: ass! GO GRAYSON GO!!!
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cags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 11:12 PM
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18. Actually its not a lie, if you watch the whole video, and know about Websters beliefs.
Webster is speaking to a group of husbands and they are discussing the men choosing a verse to pray about for themselves. He says don't choose the verse that doesn't apply to you, choose the verse that tells you what to do. He tells the husbands not to choose the verse wives submit to your husbands.

He then says those verses are for your wives to pray about!!!!

That is the context, he does believe this. He also is a member of the Institute for Basic Principles and they teach this, alond with all kinds of other religious fanatic beliefs, like no one is allowed to remarry after divorce, and the only legitimate reason for divorce is adultery and women should be forced to carry their rapists babies. This is all true.

If Dan Webster were asked if he believes that wives should submit to their husbands like the bible says he would say YES! Its not a lie about what Webster believes.

The kind of lie is they way the video was used but the accusations against Webster are all true.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 12:14 PM
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13. Kicked&Recommended!!!
:toast: :dem: :dem: :dem:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 11:33 PM
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19. I always thought a real Democrat was one who fought for the party platform.
Hey, who doesn't like a Democrat that isn't afraid to get up in it?
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 10:56 AM
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20. Is the party platform to lie about your opponent?
Is it to take audio and video and intentionally misrepresent what the person said?

If you think that's the party platform, then maybe you're in the wrong party.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 11:19 AM
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21. My comment referenced the "real Democrat" phrase used in the OP.
I made no reference to the TV ad you talked about mid-thread; I'm a Californian and haven't seen it. However since you asked, I don't particularly care for ads that are short on truth and long on manipulation.

'kay?
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The Green Manalishi Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 11:56 AM
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25. Your "concern" is noted
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 11:19 AM
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22. Grayson is losing
http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/poll-obama-democrats-poised-lose-grayson-house-seat

He needs to get off the adrenaline shots and back down to earth, running the type of sensible campaign that reaches voters rather than generate pointless soundbites.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 11:29 AM
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23. Yes, I noticed that today
It's the first poll, so it's hard to know where it stands. But 43-36 doesn't look good, especially when you add in the 6% for the Tea Party and independent candidates.

Progressive candidates aren't worth the paper they're printed on if they can't actually stay in Congress. He needs to take it down a notch.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 11:34 AM
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24. In a particular district
Congresspeople only have to win their district.

If he can get away with that in that district, fine.
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