OK, I complain about Obama being a conservative, but he is getting so much shit from MSM

[old mark]

that I must defend him. I see so little on the small business bill, so little on the good things in the health reform act, so much on the "debt" and joblessness with implications that Obama did it all himself. He is getting NO credit from many people, and I do wonder why the administration has not been not selling its accomplishments better - they seem to have started to sell themselves to the country over the last few weeks, but I see more coverage on space aliens interested in our atomic weapons that I do on the Small Business bill...


mark

[babylonsister]

1. Amazing, isn't it. Any accomplishment that has been made

is ignored unless it creates drama. These people call themselves news orgs., but lots of them are in the entertainment biz and only speak of conflict because that sells. Meanwhile, everyone watching is dumber for it.

[gkhouston]

2. It's "News to Keep You Stupid".

:puke:

[Uben]

3. News or propoganda?

In this day and age, it seems news execs are more prone to air propoganda or promote an agenda than report news. They do it by selective process, what they do or do not chose to air. Fox news is obviously the most aggregious, but they all do it to some extent. News execs pride themselves for being able to sway elections, destroying the lives of people they dislike, and promoting unpopular issues that might benefit their industry. It's what they do. IT'S ALL THEY DO!

[Hansel]

14. They have a major conflict of interest here.

They are working hard to elect people who will keep their taxes from going up. The fact that they will also ultimately destroy the economy and thus their businesses doesn't seem to dawn on them.

The crop of people who are in charge of business by and large right now are people who have no clue what it takes to build them or to make them survive over the long haul. Because most were gifted the positions through the old boys network and are too stupid to understand what gives a business staying power. Hint: Part of it is taking responsibility, having integrity and serving your customers with products they can trust. Another hint: It is not short-sighted greed and gluttony.

[zipplewrath]

4. Reminds me of Clinton

I was no big Clinton fan. And I would constantly challenge my left leaning friends on their roughly "blind" support of him. I frquently would ask them to name 3 things they liked that they had done and they couldn't. But the right leaning ones were absolutlely absurd. I had to listen to all the "Vince Foster" crap, and the White Water fictions, amongst others. I would frequently say to them, "all the perfectly good reasons to be critical and THAT'S all ya got?". Then I'd rattle off the 15 things that they should actually LIKE about the guy, and some how it was of no consequence.

For all the criticisms of Obama that I have, if I were a centrist or "Rockefeller republican" I'd have to quietly like the guy. He's done more, and doing more, on core moderate issues of the economy and budgetary issues than Bush EVER did. And he hasn't exactly been a "radical" on social issues, and Bush accomplished very little there, mostly just maintaining the status quo. Heck, he ultimately LOST on the whole Terry Schiavo fiasco. The one area they have a "legitimate" complaint is that he is blocking their attempt to pack the Supreme Court with right leaning extremists. But strangely, that's about the last thing they mention. I sometimes think that many of these supposed "hard core conservatives" are even uncomfortable with just how radical the Supreme Court has become.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

5. And then people wonder why those who support Obama on DU get riled up.

Seriously, you see this shit every day in the media, and then you come to an alleged Democratic site and have to put up with the same bullshit here too. It's enough to drive a person insane.

[dionysus]

6. + brazillion

[vaberella]

7. !

That's exactly how I feel. I turn off the news so I don't deal with it. And then I come to DU and the same right wing garbage is here and posted from the same pundits talking on tv at times. It's upsetting and frustrating.

[nevergiveup]

8. Yep, my feelings exactly.

It took me a while but I have learned to skip over the "let me see what I can find negative to say about Obama" posts. Unfortunately there are many days the naysayers rule DU.

[Parker CA]

17. K&R this post. Persistence will be the key to our successes. Don't let the crazy overwhelm you.

Great post, Nicholas!

[mkultra]

9. Your an idiot if your really think he is a conservative

Sarah Palin and George Bush are conservatives. Those people are nothing like Obama. Im sure you have your bullshit devils advocacy to spew but in the end, your just pedantic idiot.

[old mark]

11. I'm not going to debate or to respond to your obvious personal problem...

His record speaks for itself. Palin is no conservative - she is a fucking right wing fundamentalist who is playing to her crowd of bigots and ignorant jerks.

Obama is not in that crowd, but he certainly is not a progressive according to what he has proposed and not proposed to do.
Just my humble opinion, of course...

mark

[phleshdef]

15. You are just mistaken on where for bar for American liberalism begins and ends.

Obama's record, as a legislator, Senator and President is an extremely liberal record. He is a moderate on national security issues. And he has a disingenious social conservative position on gay marriage. Thats pretty much where his conservatism ends.

Even if one did not like the healthcare bill, its a very liberal bill that gets government involved in subsidizing the purchase of a need and it involves government telling private insurance companies who they can and can not get away with denying coverage to. There is no way anyone can call that conservative.

Its undeniable that the financial regulation bill heavily increases government regulation, even if you don't think it went far enough or there were Senate driven concessions you did not like, there is no way anyone can call the heaviest increase of financial regulation of this generation a conservative bill.

And the stimulus bill was a massive drop of wealth going straight from the government and into mostly middle class supporting endeavors. That is not the kind of spending conservatives engage in.

His record does in fact speak for itself. And if you think thats a conservative record, then you need to seriously re-evaluate what you think the words conservative and liberal even mean in the context of the American political climate. As it stands, you don't know what you are talking about.

[old mark]

16. Thank you for yor valuable insight. I stand by my opinion. nt

[Alcibiades]

10. He's a moderate

A defensible one, but I don't see how many folks thought he was a liberal.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

12. He's not conservative, but I do see him as a moderate. And yes, the M$M

has never been kind to him, regardless of what the repeated meme was during the primaries and the general. The media has been bashing this man, left and right, since he had the audacity to announce his candidacy back in 2006.

[ProSense]

13. Yeah, Obama is a conservative President

compared to all the progressive Presidents like Carter and Clinton whose policies led to industry deregulation.

Here in the US, we've had so many progressive Presidents that how dare the "conservative" President Obama re-regulate the financial sector and other industries.

Carter was elected over Gerald Ford in 1976. His tenure was a time of continuing inflation and recession, as well as an energy crisis. On January 7, 1980, Carter signed Law H.R. 5860 aka Public Law 96-185 known as The Chrysler Corporation Loan Guarantee Act of 1979 bailing out Chrysler Corporation. He led the plan to deregulate the airline industry. He canceled military pay raises during a time of high inflation and government deficits....Carter wrote that the most intense and mounting opposition to his policies came from the liberal wing of the Democratic Party, which he attributed to Ted Kennedy’s ambition to replace him as president.<44> Kennedy, originally on board with Carter's health plan, pulled his support from that legislation in the late stages; Carter states that this was in anticipation of Kennedy's own candidacy, and when neither won, the tactic effectively delayed comprehensive health coverage for decades.<45>

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If President Obama is a conservative, Clinton and Carter are RW, and that obviously isn't the case.