and down goes Whitman!!!! She canned Illegal Housekeeper of years to Campaign

[Aramchek]

There goes her Hispanic Outreach.

There goes her Independent appeal.

Hell, the Teabaggers are even going to be pissed because she was employing an Illegal.



Someone start the ten count.
Meg's toe up.


Update: It's hitting the MSM like a wildfire. Burn, baby, burn!

[bluestateguy]

1. I hope you are right

Remember how well the groping women allegations defeated Arnold Schwarzenegger in 2003?

Oh.

[liberalmike27]

131. I'm still thinking

It's more important to object to the fact she's wasting over a hundred million of her own money to run for office. This should be illegal. The only avenue we have to punish people, who are nothing like us economically, who can not relate at all to us, is to leave them unelected at the end, with an hundred million dollar hole in their budget.

[DrToast]

2. Why is Gloria Allred involved?

Firing someone doesn't seem illegal.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

5. Because she's attention starved. nt

[vaberella]

13. Why is this Gloria Allred name so well known on DU?

And stated with such distaste, if you don't mind me asking.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

18. She's a famous lawyer who went from feminist to straight up annoying. I think

what did it for me is when she represented the family of a little girl in elementary school who was kissed by a boy in her grade. The family was suing for sexual harassment. maybe somebody can correct me if I got the details wrong. She's like a rich version of that Simpson's lawyer Lionel Hutz.

[vaberella]

25. That is sounding familiar. When I saw her face I saw someone who looked familiar.

Just the name wasn't ringing a bell.

[jberryhill]

100. She appeared in the movie "Rat Race"' as a self parody

A woman trips on a drinking glass in a Vegas casino staircase, and Allred appears out of nowhere offering to represent the woman in a suit against the casino.

The way she operates is the precise public image of everything that is wrong with the legal profession

[Politicalboi]

72. LOL!

I loved Lionel Hutz. R.I.P. Phil Hartman.
But you are right. Although I loved her during OJ's trial she does go overboard at times.

[DrToast]

19. She's a high profile celebrity lawyer that often gets involved in cases to promote herself

[vaberella]

26. Will this case be given the consideration it deserves, is what I wonder. n/t

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

33. That's what I'm hoping. Unfortunately I think having this high profile lawyer

obscures the merits as far as our shit media is concerned. But on the other hand she's good.

[vaberella]

37. Yeah, Allred does look like she's good at what she does.

She definitely had control of the reporters in the room.

[jberryhill]

102. ...because courts care so much about how well a lawyer conducts a press conference

In fact, at most trials, the court usually decides the case on which side got the last word in on Larry King Live or Nancy Grace. Judges give extra points if you can get at least a half hour on CNN in prime time.

[PVnRT]

92. Probably not. Allred will turn it into a sideshow

I doubt this will be as damaging for Whitman as everyone wants to be believe.

[jberryhill]

97. What "consideration it deserves"?

Allred leeches into these things to get a quick kill of a settlement in situations that would be extortion, but for a lawyer.

She got a chunk of change early on in the Tiger Woods situation by pimping the silence of one of his mistresses in exchange for tall cash.

Look at the facts here. This maid was fired in June 2009. Where has she been all this time - cold storage?

Now, look at what the maid is saying. The maid says she was fired when she told Whitman she was illegal. There's nothing wrong with that. That's a story that needs some "help". So, if you know Whitman will pay large to settle a nuisance claim quick, then you sit down with the maid, go fishing for anything grievance you can exaggerate as a claim, throw in the self-contradictory "Whitman knew" allegation, and then you have something Whitman will pay fast to dispose. As the lawyer, you pocket up to 45%.

I know that most folks are impressed with bullshit, but REAL lawyers don't give press conferences and talk show appearances over their own pending cases. That's what makes Allred a "high profile lawyer" to legally naive celebrity airheads.

[Empowerer]

111. Well said!

[Raster]

124. "...that often gets involved in cases to promote herself."

I'll take understated for $500, Alex.

[stopbush]

125. Which begs the question: would the story get any media attention

if the housekeeper hadn't retained Allred?

[rocktivity]

149. Her daughter, Lisa Bloom, is also a lawyer and was a Court TV commentator

with a speaking voice that makes Fran Drescher sound like Paul Robeson. I couldn't figure out how she got hired--I'd settle out of court just to save myself from having to listen to her!

x(
rocktivity

[customerserviceguy]

91. No modern farce is complete

without an appearance by Gloria Allred.

[femrap]

114. Because she usually

represents women. And on DU, many of male 'lefties' don't feel women need representation. They're just not human enough.

And Feminist, strong women, like Gloria, are just loud-mouth 'b*tches' like HRC. Get it?

Do you see all the DUers getting all in a huff over Gloria? They suffer from SWIHASD syndrome. It's actually very sad.

Hope that helps.

Gloria has been around for a long time and has helped many women...and some men, too.

This will probably be deleted because the Oppressed Class isn't allowed Free Speech.....just the dudes have this right. Get it?

Here:

http://www.gloriaallred.com/CM/Custom/TOCAbout.asp

She came from a poor family and worked hard. She doesn't represent the rich CEO's.

[mistertrickster]

127. Thanks for dissing your base, femrap. Did you take lessons from Rahm?

The idea that anyone who spends quality time here could post this -- on DU, many of male 'lefties' don't feel women need representation. They're just not human enough. -- and apparently believe it . . . I don't know what.

Have you ever heard of the logical fallacy called the "straw man" (oops, straw PERSON to you no doubt)?

Because that's biggest one I've seen here in helluva long time . . .

And finally, I guess you didn't get the memo: feminist women don't need to attack people born with an X and Y chromosome anymore. It's passe.

[femrap]

135. Passe? Were you here for the

primaries? Do you notice how many time the words, 'bi*ch' and 'm*therfucker' are flung around by the 'lefties?' I've been called all kind of things. So since it's 'passe,' I'm just supposed to ignore sexism??? Is the new Progressive Stance on Feminism? I didn't get the f*cking memo, dude.

I don't have a base. Why don't you go after the people who hate Allred?

I am sticking to MY EXPERIENCE....there are a number of males on DU who are sexist. It's like 'You're so sexist you don't even realize how sexist you are.'

I don't know you from Adam, but it seems I hit a nerve.

[mistertrickster]

152. Oh, yes, you hit a nerve alright. 20 years of getting called "the enemy" and "potential rapist"

because I have a Y chromosome.

The feminist movement crashed-and-burned as soon as its ideology hardened into dogmatism: "women can only be truly liberated in a lesbian relationship," "Playboy magazine promotes rape, violence against women, and child sexual abuse" (see Andrea Dworkin), and "all heterosexual intercourse is rape."

Taping real men's names ripped out of a phone book to telephone poles under the heading "POTENTIAL RAPISTS" also did little to win hearts and minds.

You notice the young women aren't really into knee-jerk man-hating anymore. Guess that was a losing tack.

[femrap]

153. No the young women of today

get to experience mainstream pron. Murdoch hates women so he makes sure that they are browbeaten into believing they are nothing but eye candy on stilettos, smeared in makeup, and showing lots of skin.

Wow...2 quotes from Andrea (who is now dead....go do a little dance) and you're an expert on Feminism.

I bet you think there is just one rapist out there, don't you? He's the one giving all the dudes a bad name.

Obviously, I'm dealing with another willful ignorant...and that's what the ignore button is for.

And did you see the news about Allred???? Got Meg quite nicely. You go play now. Buh bye.

ETA: you didn't get that much crap...hell, you live in Gospel land of Kansas with the all the fundies.

[mistertrickster]

156. Right . . . see what I mean. I CAN'T be an expert on feminism bbbecause

I'm a man.

I thought we'd moved past that, but old outmoded ideas never truly die apparently.

BTW, Andrea believed that women should have their own "homeland" like the Jews have Israel.

She may be dead, but the victimization she so enshrined unfortunately has not died.

On edit: What? You don't think Kansas has "Women's Studies"? Don't kid yourself.

[jberryhill]

130. Why, you are correct, Gloria Allred's own web page says she's wonderful!

:eyes:

[femrap]

136. And you're

not. You must really really really like Meg. You like to play on ebay???

[jberryhill]

143. You are the one who does not want cold hard undeniable proof of Whitman's guilt here

I detest Meg Whitman, and don't want to see her be able to weasel out of this.

That's why I want to see some evidence that she knew. Cold, hard, undeniable evidence.

Why do you not want to have that happen? Are you Meg's BFF?

(See how that stupid conversational bully tactic works?)

[femrap]

147. Obviously you're a novice

to politics. Ever heard of 'whisper campaigns?' The repugnants are great at them. Dems, not so much. That's why we lose A LOT.

I could give a rat's ass if it's true or not. It can be proven 110% and the Meg will still deny it. Where have you been? Ever listen to Sharon Angle? She'll listen to her taped words and deny she said them.

I'd bet the farm that Meg knew she was employing an illegal. I know how these rich, self-entitled, SELFISH AND GREEDY people operate. The mere fact that she employed this woman for sooooooooooooooooo long and then boots her out when the campaign starts tells you something, DOESN'T IT????????

I hope Allred draws blood on this. I don't like rich, self-entitled, people who treats others worse than they treat their pets.

I believe I have made myself clear.

Geez, do you go through life demanding 100% clarification on everything????? Go with the odds...it's not as stressful.

[Hepburn]

6. Attention whore - drama queen...that's why Gloria is involved. n/t

[femrap]

115. WTF is wrong w/ people here....

we get some fabulous news about Meg and all you can do is pick on the woman who is representing Meg's housekeeper.

Just who is the whore here???

Gloria has helped lots of women....and men as well.

There are a number of fatherf*ckers commenting against this lawyer.

I wish I had had a lawyer like Gloria when my employer put the moves on me and decided to tell me all about his wife not giving him any. He's another fatherf*cker. I was fired and denied unemployment.

Gloria fights for women like this. Unfortunately I'm not in CA.

[Myrina]

121. +10

:)

[JuniperLea]

8. There must be other allegations...

True that Gloria A is an attention whore, but I'm pretty sure she wins a lot. There must be something or she wouldn't have taken it public.

[vaberella]

31. True. You think something sexual went down. n/t

[jberryhill]

98. Allred doesn't "win" jack squat

If by "winning" you mean actually taking a case to trial.

She understands the dynamic of extracting large settlements from defendants who don't want to go to trial regardless of the merits.

The election is a month away, and Whitman needs to dispose of this case immediately. See my post above on how Allred operates. She couldn't actually try a traffic ticket.

[femrap]

117. Since you live in DE,

shouldn't you be out fighting against Ms. O'Donnell instead of worrying about Gloria???

You sound jealous...or maybe you just don't like women who excel at their jobs.

You seem to like Ms. Meg....you seem to want her to beat Jerry Brown. WTF is wrong w/ you?

[jberryhill]

128. I suggest you do the following

Run my name through a donor search at opensecrets.org.

No, I do not like Meg Whitman.

I also do not like Gloria Allred and her grandstanding and ambulance-chasing.

This is a quick-hit for cash, and the news that Whitman had employed an undocumented worker does not require Gloria Allred to break.

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[NeedleCast]

141. Lulz

You're like a caricature of a feminist.

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[NeedleCast]

140. That happens a lot when you're a celebrity lawyer who settles most of their cases

You only take cases where you know you can get a quick settlement, you're bound to "win" a lot of cases.

[Aramchek]

12. The Housekeeper is an Illegal alien. Meg knew. Meg hid. Meg avoided.

Meg fired her when she decided she wanted to be Governor.

Meg's not gonna get her wish.

[femrap]

118. Thank you for

posting....it warms my heart to see Karma kicking Meg's rich butt.

Go Jerry!

[Raine1967]

41. She was fired after the woman asked for help to get a green card PLUS

She was paid for 15 hours a week when she worked significantly more -- she became the Nanny AND the house keeper with no raise, more hours and still paid for 15 hours a week at 23$ an hour

She was not given family leave when she had a child.... The woman is looking for back pay, and milage pay.

And as far as that Green card issue? The woman worked for Whitman for about 9 years. Social Security Administration allegedly contacted Whitman about SS# indiscretions and never did anything about it.

Whitman is claiming she didn;t know she was undocumented, and fired her when she asked Whitman for help.

So no firing someone is not illegal --- but sometimes there are bigger human and moral issues at play.

[Drunken Irishman]

42. ...

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[Cleita]

84. I did not write this and the hacker needs to be called on it. nlt

[DrToast]

3. Surprise! Whitman claims she didn't know

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/california-politics/2010/09/whitman-campaign-tries-to-preempt-former-housekeepers-press-conference.html

[vaberella]

BS. You never not know when someone is illegal. n/t

[CountAllVotes]

4. cyl Whitless!

:hi: and farewell!

:kick:

[vaberella]

7. Wait, the housekeeper was an illegal immigrant at the time?! You confirmed this?! n/t

[Aramchek]

14. press conference here >>

http://www.tmz.com/2010/09/29/livestream-meg-whitman-gloria-allred-housekeeper-allegations

[vaberella]

21. This Gloria Allred looks familiar but she's really milking the scene.

And why is Gloria Allred speaking for Nicky the HouseKeeper.

[Aramchek]

32. Nicky spoke for a bit, but was very emotional. Gloria knows she has some hard facts.

Whitman can't ignore or blow this off.

[vaberella]

34. Wow. That is crazy. I've never seen dirty dealing like this.

This makes Blago look like a saint. So how many more Repubs will blow up like this before the elections.

[Aramchek]

38. bring on the Piñatas!

[Iggo]

106. Would you say it was a plethora of piñatas?

[Enthusiast]

86. Probably not so many

since the media has their back.

[Lochloosa]

15. The housekeeper confirmed it. And said MW knew.

MW was notified by the IRS that the housekeeper's SS number was bogus.

[vaberella]

22. Really?! Now that is damning. Very damning.

That's what I want confirmed man. You are sent that the SS numbers are bogus and still keep the maid for 8 more years. Shit.

[Aramchek]

36. she received many SSN notices over the years. there is definitely documentation of this.

[Ramulux]

55. That means her excuse is already bogus

If there is proof that Whitman received documentation, this race is over. I feel like she could have let this whole thing blow over if she just admitted it and moved on. But she lied and that lie is already being proven false and there is no way that is not going to look terrible. She absolutely fucked herself with this one.

[jberryhill]

95. Then why did she fire the maid when the maid told her?

If she already knew on account of these letters nobody has seen?

[tammywammy]

113. She fired her because she was going to run for governor

It would look even worse if she was knowingly still employing an illegal immigrant while running her "no illegal, hold employers accountable" campaign.

[jberryhill]

129. That's not what the maid says

The maid says that she made the admission to Whitman and asked for help with her status.

The thing is, it's very hard to get any help with your status if you are already present illegally (that's what the Dream Act is all about).

If Whitman had known, and had dumped the maid for the sake of her campaign, then she would have just dumped the maid. The maid would not have a narrative about making the admission to Whitman and then being fired.

Those parts of the maid's allegations seem contradictory to me.

[DrToast]

20. Yes, both sides acknolwedge that she was illegal. The difference: Whitman claims she didn't know

[Aramchek]

24. and yet Whitman received repeated alerts from the Social Security Admin

trying to get her to resolve her Housekeeper's status.

Meg threw them out with the trash.

Then later she threw the Houskeeper out, too.

[DrToast]

27. Oh snap! That doesn't look good.*

[vaberella]

30. Armachek are there other people saying this or just Gloria Allred?! n/t

[Aramchek]

39. there are 9 years worth of records at the SocSec admin that say Meg was aware

I guess Meg felt the same way about it that she did about voting.

She had no time.

[truedelphi]

122. I sure hope this is the end of Nutmeg.

Of course, Teabaggers hate illegal immigration, except when THEY need someone cheap to work for them.

[jberryhill]

103. Just Allred

It's amazing how many people use one of Allred's unproven allegations as proof of another one.

Of course the maid wouldn't have Whitman's mail, and this wouldn't be FOIA material either.

The "Whitman knew" thing is, so far, not supported by anything.

[femrap]

119. Why don't you just

call Meg? You certainly seem to want a 100% guarantee that Meg made a boo-boo. Whose side are you on?

Why not do turn on TV, read the newspaper, google, anything.

[jberryhill]

132. I wish I had such a clear view of the world

In which facts are established by the principle of whether I want to believe them, and all I need to know is their consequences.

I support Jerry Brown and detest Meg Whitman.

That does not, in my mind, render any allegation against Whitman to be true.

If there is hard evidence that Whitman knew, then don't you think it would be good to get that on the table, so that nobody could dismiss this as a she-said/she-said dispute?

Or would you prefer that the accusation remain deniable? Whose side are YOU on?

[femrap]

139. not yours.

[jberryhill]

145. So you want Meg Whitman to skate on this thing then.

Are you an eBay shareholder or something?

[femrap]

148. Are you literate?

I don't deal with willful ignorants...and I guess that's what I have here.

Love the Ignore Button....wish I could have one IRL.

buh-bye

[flamingdem]

46. Just as she threw out all that Voter Poll information, not votes for Meg for two decades nt

[NewJeffCT]

57. Do they have evidence of this?

the letters from Social Security?

If they have the letters, Whitman is in trouble

[vaberella]

65. Apparently Allred wouldn't take the case and lead journalists to suspect w/o it.

She said to the journalists..."The question is what she knows...and when did she find out about it."

[uponit7771]

93. Unnn, I'd still like to see the hard proof of this. That evidence there is damning to Whitman on so

...many fronts

[jberryhill]

94. Bullshit

Yes she would.

The maid's story contradicts itself.

On the one hand, she says that Whitman knew, because of the letter from the SSA.

Then, she says she was fired for telling Whitman she was illegal.

Do you want to fit those pieces together?

Allred is a settlement chaser, and could not try a case to save her life.

[jberryhill]

99. No

Which is why the maid's story contradicts itself.

[vaberella]

28. Yeah, that's just impossible to me. I can't wrap my head around that.

Most people know when they hire someone illegally. Because SS always gets involved or other information.

[jberryhill]

146. It was a hire through an agency which vouched for her /nt

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

9. I hope you're right, but I wouldn't be on it. She has an "R" after her name.

They are "do as I say, not as I do." Their followers forgive them for adultery, tax evasion, lying about schools attended, sleeping with prostitutes, you name it. Corruption and hypocrisy doesn't matter when there's an "R" after your name. Democrats resign in shame. Republicans run for reelection!

[xchrom]

10. Oh Happy Day! Nt

[Davis_X_Machina]

11. She's still Team Red...

...so it doesn't matter to her core voters what she does.

And in mid-terms that's all who turns out. She'll lose, but only because it's a blue state.

[Aramchek]

16. then why has Meg been campaigning so hard for Hispanics????

she's done, dude.

[vaberella]

23. Maybe she wants to hire more of them?! n/t

[DrToast]

29. LOL. Zing!*

*

[Kind of Blue]

63. Well, the latest Field Poll found Brown

and Whitman in a dead tie - I think 40 to 40 - and that has not changed since their last polling in mid September. The Field Poll guy interviewed said there are too many undecideds not loving either candidate. This was yesterday http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130194261.

So I'm thinking that this will certainly get more of us leaning Democratic. Keeping my fingers crossed.

[vaberella]

66. Don't look at NPR--they have bogus poll. Brown is ahead by 5.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/governor/ca/california_governor_whitman_vs_brown-1113.html

[Kind of Blue]

69. Thanks for the link!

Interesting that the Field Poll is obviously the outlier, but yet they chose that pollster to interview.

[mike_c]

17. rec'ed just because the subject includes the words "down goes" and "Whitman...."

:rofl:

Crash and burn, NutMeg!

[KingFlorez]

35. This is really good

Whitman went on about holding employers accountable for hiring undocumented workers and then she gets outed for doing exactly that.

[vaberella]

40. Hypocrisy, at times, is a beautiful thing. n/t

[opihimoimoi]

43. THERE goes another Rookie GOPer Bagger...cannot even pass the Illegal test.. OMG. another GOPer Fail

[harun]

54. GOP'rs have been nailed on this thousands of times. They never learn

or maybe it is they can't live without their housekeepers.

[opihimoimoi]

68. In their minds.....FANTASY TRUMPS REALITY.....They live in a ME World

Its All About ME and Mine...they suffer from MEism

Its classic GOPer....

Rookie Mistakes is what this Nation does not need...we tried that w Bush...

[truedelphi]

123. They really do. They will rant and rail against any

Social net until they need some services for their family - then they are quick to claim those services do not go far enough.

[opihimoimoi]

150. Bullies are full of Excuses.....we need Bully Reduction Dept Cabinet Level

With appro budget

[frazzled]

44. I think you guys may be overestimating the impact of this

I have a feeling there's going to be a big collective yawn over this in California, where, from what I gather, everyone employs an undocumented Latino/a worker in some capacity or other. Now, if she can show she beat her or abused her in some way, it might make a dent.

As for hypocrisy? Oh yeah, another Republican hypocrite is about as newsworthy as the local weather report.

[DrToast]

45. Whitman was pulling a decent amount of Hispanic vote. And she had a major outreach prpogram

This is obviously going to hurt with that.

It's probably not going to hurt her with any other group, but this is California we're talking about. The Hispanic vote is significant.

[NewJeffCT]

50. I agree - this would only resonate if Whitman were a Democrat

This took down Zoe Baird in 1993 - Clinton's first AG nominee. However, it's ok, because Whitman is a Republican and this sort of thing is expected, especially from a wealthy elitist Republican.

[frazzled]

51. Well, appointees like Zoe Baird always get taken down over things like this

Voters are less likely to use the cudgel than polarized committee members just looking for a reason to deny a president his or her choice of cabinet members. But I totally agree on the fact that it would matter if she were a Democrat. Witness, say, Elliott Spitzer vs. David Vitter.

[NewJeffCT]

53. Wasn't Vitter giving a standing ovation

by his Republic colleagues when he came back into the Senate?

[femrap]

120. And I am glad

that his opponent is bringing back this story. Vitter liked to be diapered so he could shit himself and get off. That's what he paid money for. He's a real family man, alright. drip drip.

[COLGATE4]

62. By tomorrow it will just be yesterday's news, and the MSM will be

working themselves into an orgasm on the latest tweet from Caribou Barbie or the latest mind-numbing idiocy from sweet Christine. On the other hand, if it had been a Democrat (Zoe Baird, anyone), the RW echo chamber would be howling with outrage for days/weeks on end.

[liberal N proud]

47. She will suffer no consequence because as a repubilcan...

she is against illegal immigrants.

Remember, up is down!

[leftynyc]

48. Fuck the republicans

they're a lost cause. It's the independents that we're after.

[lunatica]

49. Gloria Allred is probably suing the crap out of Whitman

Whitman probably promised to sponsor the housekeeper so she could get her green card and just lied.

[Kdillard]

52. Meg Whitman and her campaign are trying to

deflect blame and turn this around to smear Jerry Brown by tying him to Gloria as some kind of conspiracy to bring her down. I really hope Jerry is smart enough to stay clear of this and let her hang herself. Seriously she hired this woman, ignored the notices from SS alerting her to the fact there was a problem with the ss number, made this woman work overtime without pay with responsibilities that she wasn't hired for and all of this is somehow Jerry Brown's fault. I was reading over at tmz and there are some people eating it up.

[Ramulux]

58. She looks really desperate

by blaming Jerry. He obviously had nothing to do with this and probably first heard about it along with everyone else today. Its so telling that the first thing she does is go after the liberal media and Jerry Brown even though no one seems to be doing anything unethical or biased. If she wants to blame Gloria and the maid that's fine, that makes sense, but to immediately go after Brown shows she is clinging at straws. This race is over.

[Kdillard]

59. I hope you are right. The desperation and the lies are obvious but we will see what the polls say I

guess in the upcoming weeks.

[vaberella]

67. Here's one set..

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/governor/ca/california_governor_whitman_vs_brown-1113.html

[saltpoint]

73. I bet things are a bit tense down at Meg's campaign

headquarters this evening.

I bet Meg's own invariably sunny disposition ( ! ) may be showing signs of strain.

[NewJeffCT]

56. I googled "Whitman illegal housekeeper" and Michelle Malkin was pissed

at Meg Whitman. I'm shocked that she didn't fall in line & defend Whitman.

I need to go take a shower now after reading Malkin's post.

[Kdillard]

60. Good hopefully she gets slammed and they shred her for trying to lay this off on Jerry Brown and

Some conspiracy.

[glitch]

90. Nutmeg's a conspiracy theorist!

:rofl:

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

61. Be sure to use the industrial strenght stuff. nt

[COLGATE4]

64. Don't worry - by tomorrow Michelle 'Anchor Baby' will have gotten

the memo and will be 'splaining why it really wasn't Meg's fault and how it really was Obama's, because if he had deported the maid like he should have poor Meg wouldn't have been able to hire her, don't you see. It was really a big Dem plot.

[Canuckistanian]

70. Whatever happened to paying off embarrassing people?

Meg didn't give this woman a CENT when she fired her?

How expensive would it have BEEN to buy off an illegal immigrant? 20k? 50k? A reference letter and a year's supply of meat?

Republicans have gotten SO stingy these days.

[saltpoint]

74. True, but then again, that costs money, and where on

God's Earth would Whitman come up with that kind of cash? As it is now, she has to scavenge for loose change down at the bus station, and from what I've heard, she has no idea where her next meal is coming from. She sloughs across the California landscape in tattered rags, a world-weary look on her downcast face, tears streaming from her eyes like torrents.

There's talk that she has turned inward, despite the pain of hunger and the spiritual desolation, and has begun responding to internal stimuli. She reportedly hears the voices of the Texas State Chamber of Commerce. It's an odd case. The shrinks are perplexed.

[Canuckistanian]

75. You're bad

:rofl:

Good to see you old friend - :hi:

[saltpoint]

76. Good to see you, too.

:hi:

:thumbsup:

[northernlights]

89. greed and arrogance

too greedy to pay her off for something she figured she could get for free. so arrogant she thought the woman wouldn't have the guts or smarts to go public.

I couldnt see the video from work. But I could see nutmeg's response. "We were like family. it hurt me tewwibly to have to fiwer her." Translations: I was all warm and fuzzy with her cause she's a gullible fool and I figured being warm and fuzzy was enough to buy her off."

The thievin' scum at work pull that shit all the time. (Also my sister.) When they need something, they're all warm and fuzzy. When they don't need you, they kick you aside like a turd they accidentally stepped on. They're so arrogant, think they're so clever ***and are such dumbasses themselves*** they assume you'll never pick up on the pattern.

[robertpaulsen]

71. CNN hasn't got the memo yet.

It's nowhere on their homepage. Hell, even Faux News has it on their homepage. Shame on CNN.

[4lbs]

77. The latest CNN poll has her 9 points behind Jerry Brown.

Wow, spent $120 million of her own money to pretty much lose next month.

Good job. Nice showing how fiscally conservative you are, Meg.

[mkultra]

78. from the flo up

[GSLevel9]

79. lol... just too entertaining...

she's the just the worst....

[dkf]

80. Even with a social security card, ID, and government documents you still can't tell if a

Person is here legally.

I don't see how blasting this across the media doesn't make people leery of hiring someone who looks like they are here illegally. Whitman tried to do it the right way by hiring through an agency and asking for copies of documentation and she still gets whacked for it.

And does this woman realize she has incriminated herself in ID theft and forgery? How has she not made herself deportable?

[boppers]

81. You can ask the government, and pay attention to their answers.

http://www.dhs.gov/files/programs/gc_1185221678150.shtm

As far as deporting the mother of a young American citizen, there's a whole mess of issues involved in that as well.

[dkf]

82. Good to know...

[jberryhill]

96. Or just hire white people who speak English and not worry about it /nt

[boppers]

157. We have a lot of undocumented Russians in Oregon.

"White" and "English" aren't great indicators.

[Aramchek]

109. so you're defending Whitman?? I see.

[jberryhill]

134. Asking for damning, cold, hard, undeniable evidence is not "defending" anyone

I would like to see something in black and white that demonstrates Whitman knew about the situation before the firing.

You, I see, would rather not see that, and want Whitman to have deniability on this issue.

Uhmmm... sure.

[klook]

137. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

I seem to remember hearing that somewhere.

[jberryhill]

142. Non-sequitur much?

The issue in a lot of legal situations is intent.

This is not an "ignorance of the law" situation, it is a claimed ignorance of facts indicating intent.

EXAMPLE:

1. You and I are in an airport. You put down your suitcase. I come up from behind you and take your suitcase, knowing it is yours, and walk away. I have stolen your suitcase.

2. You and I are in an airport. You put down your suitcase. I had put mine down a moment ago, and then I pick up yours, mistakenly believing it is mine, and walk away. I have NOT stolen your suitcase.

The difference between those two situations is criminal intent. Go Google "mens rea".

In situation 1, I have stolen your suitcase whether I am ignorant of the law of theft or not. In situation number 2 my sincere belief that the suitcase was mine negates criminal intent.

I want to see Meg Whitman nailed to the wall here. That's why I want to see proof that she knew.

Not "she should have known" or "she could have known"... I want her nailed but good.

[klook]

151. The issue in a lot of political situations is reputation.

Your example changes a bit if I am running for public office and the incident is used to cast aspersions on my character. Headlines scream "Klook (D-GA) Denies Stolen Briefcase Accusations!"

Obviously my opponent will be happier if I'm put behind bars or lose a lawsuit. But they'd be pretty happy, too, if voters question my integrity.

You and I agree that seeing Whitman nailed to the wall is the best possible outcome, and I am in no way suggesting we all do the happy dance and say "Woo-Hoo! We've won!!" I'm just saying what has happened so far is a good start.

[vaberella]

154. Did you see the documentation?! The woman didn' t provide a Green Card

There were no government documents I saw provided. A Green Card is needed for non-citizens. It is the proof of work because they are registered with the department of homeland security. No green card then it's bogus and if Whitman had these bogus papers from 2000, then willfully knowing the woman didn't provide a green card as proof of work eligibility she's guilty of hiring an illegal while knowing she's an illegal.

[awoke_in_2003]

85. she is not down...

hypocrisy knows no bounds, especially amongst republicans.

[Cleita]

87. I don't give up that easily.

Whoever has hacked into my Cleita identity, you will end up regretting it. It's not that I am mean. It's that you won't succeed.

[vaberella]

101. Someone hacked into your ID? Wow. n/t

[on point]

88. I appreciate her personal economic stimulus contribution in her futile chase!!

[Lindsey]

105. I'm hoping and think that this could have a major impact.. One of

her things is undocumented worked.

[grahamhgreen]

104. Does this mean she has admitted to a crime? nt

[valerief]

107. Is Fox covering it? nt

[salinen]

108. How much of that 200 mil

will she be able to write off?

[KansDem]

110. GOP = Gang Of hyPocrites

Always has been...always will be...
:dem:

[femrap]

112. K and R

I simply love it. It is such beautiful Karma. I feel at peace.

[krkaufman]

116. If it's hitting the media "like wildfire," ...

... might not a link have been available?

[vaberella]

155. go to google and just type Meg Whitman---you'll find hundreds if not thousands of links. n/t

[Kolesar]

126. Luv the boxing metaphors...com

[katty]

133. yup, boom, she is down and brown is leading already