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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 07:31 AM
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One Nation: pony-wanting whiners and loyalist shills unite!
John Stuart Mill expresses our community (in the larger sense) very well:

It gives a very insufficient idea of the importance of the strivings which take place to improve and elevate human nature and life, to suppose that their chief value consists in the amount of actual improvement realized by their means, and that the consequence of their cessation would merely be that we should remain as we are.

A very small diminution of those exertions would not only put a stop to improvement, but would turn the general tendency of things towards deterioration; which, once begun, would proceed with increasing rapidity, and become more and more difficult to check, until it reached a state often seen in history, and in which many large portions of mankind even now grovel; when hardly anything short of superhuman power seems sufficient to turn the tide, and give a fresh commencement to the upward movement.


The effort to promote progress and oppose deterioration does not necessarily separate "shills" from "whiners" in the Democratic Party; this effort often unites them. To insist on progress is not to say it must be ensured in one arena but wholly neglected in another. It a struggle that demands criticism of wrongheaded policy from our party, even as it demands we defeat Republicans in the election. The struggle against deterioration is fought in determining the makeup of Congress no less than it is fought in determining the principles of a party. Insisting on equal rights need not require staying home or voting third party, not any more than supporting Democrats in an election need require throwing GLBT folks under the bus.

If the One Nation rally should teach us anything, it's this. Our broader aims have everything in common so far as I can see, and the biggest disagreements stem in my mind more from willful misunderstanding and paranoia than explicit differences in purpose. Glenn Greenwald isn't leading many cheers, but he isn't staying home--he's voting D. Obama is not exactly throwing the door wide on equal rights, but he has committed to widening the opening, and will prevent that door from being closed any further.

Depending on your views, you may be disappointed by one or both of the last two sentences. You have a right to that disappointment, but you're also welcome to feel a larger community of purpose that, in my opinion, is the whole reason anyone comes on this site to begin with.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 07:40 AM
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1. Gave it a K&R only to discover an unnrec. kept it at zero. Wow.
Guess JS Mill's under the bus too with some these days.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 08:59 AM
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5. You mean some people who post here don't want to see us united??
Surprise, surprise.

:eyes:

NGU.

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 09:18 AM
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7. Or people might have a poor opinion of JS Mill
Edited on Mon Oct-04-10 09:19 AM by depakid
assuming they know (or care) who he was, what he wrote or what he stood for.

Who can say these days?

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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 07:47 AM
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2. As a proud pony-wanting whiner I K&R this post
Like a lot of us I'm disappointed at the centrist tone of the Obama administration to date. Especially in regards to it's foot dragging on ending the wars and half assed efforts to use the power of the Federal Government to create jobs. But I have never thought for a second that I would sit out this election and let my piss poor repub candidate get a free ride to a seat in congress. And it's hard for me to believe that anybody would. The memories of the disastrous cheney years are still too fresh in the minds of most people despite the efforts of the liberal media to rewrite history.

I haven't made the financial contributions I made in 08. But I'm as committed as ever to see that real Democratic policies that benefit the middle class get adopted.
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Raine1967 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 07:57 AM
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3. Do you have a link? eom
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 10:13 AM
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9. The quote is from "Considerations On Representative Government"
There are doubtless free versions all over the place. The reference is to chapter two, but it's worth reading the rest.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 08:47 AM
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4. K & R. I agree with the sentiment & I love the subject line. That should be the rallying cry
through election day. :D
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 08:59 AM
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6. lol love it! nt
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 09:26 AM
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8. IBTL
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