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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 08:26 PM
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What will happen after the Democrats keep both houses of Congress?
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 08:26 PM
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1. Even less than "happens" now, one imagines, given their majorities will be reduced.
n/t
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 08:29 PM
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3. yep, when we gave them a senate supermajority, they still acted
Like a frightened minority, or more damning, slightly less craven corporate bootlicks than the gop.
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 08:36 PM
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6. WHAT supermajority?
we had 58 Democrats, 40 rethugs, and 2 independents, one of which was LIEberman...
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 08:39 PM
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8. The one in their minds.
Don't let facts get in the way.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 07:17 AM
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36. - and that only for about 4 months -
It didn't happen until Franken was seated.
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 12:22 PM
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42. You forgot one faction, the blue dogs
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 05:30 PM
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47. Of the 58 Dems we had 13 Conservadems and Conservadems = "Rethugs.". n/t
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 06:49 PM
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48. Not necessarily, but close enough.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 07:15 PM
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50. Before Scott Brown we had 49 n/t
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 10:37 PM
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64. Exactly. And on the rare occasions they accept they, they run to
how everything can be passed by reconciliation.

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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 10:56 PM
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23. A supermajority would have been 65
we didn't have that.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 05:29 PM
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46. Super majority is if they had 61 seats in the Senate.
59 means nothing when facing a filibuster dude. Please try to remember that.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 01:34 AM
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55. What happened to 60?
Why 61?
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 03:37 AM
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56. To cover our asses if Lincoln acts up.
She tends to act up the most. However I like the poster who said 65---then we'd cover Landrieu and Nelson and Bayh and so on.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 01:58 PM
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60. Ahh ok
Do you think we'll ever see a 65 majority?
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 02:31 PM
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61. Not in this election. But I think we can do it during Obama's Presidency.
I think if we have a tighter organization set up and definitely have our people do more national fronts and do interviews on the national level (because you know a lot of these Repubs get out of state funding) and we put in people who push the real issues---like issues that may be "socialist" but directly affect their constituents like Social Security in most cases and the such we'd have a good chance. Then we can get crazy shit done.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 08:28 PM
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2. Well...
A hell of a lot more than if they don't!
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 08:36 PM
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7. Or a helluva lot less
in terms of impeachment nonsense, super-duper commissions to investigate Obama's birth certificate, and attempts to undo any mildly progressive legislation that passed in the last 2 years.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 07:10 AM
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33. B I N G O ...
all the friggen droopy dog BS ...

THIS is the point ...

The Dems did more than a lot here give them credit for, less than we all might have hoped for ...

But, the whole operation turns into one big take down Obama machine if the Rs get the majority ...



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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 07:19 AM
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37. Even worse, if they have the majority, they would easily shut down government
The question is whether the economy is strong enough to deal with that.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 10:02 AM
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39. They won't shut down the gov't
unless they can pin the blame on the Dems. They need it to keep the MIC going, for one thing.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 08:32 PM
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4. GOOD THINGS...Better Things....than the alternate GOPers
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 08:35 PM
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5. Some people will be happy and some people
will kick dirt.

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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 08:48 PM
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13. Some people will be glad and some people
will pound sand.
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 08:41 PM
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9. GOP infighting will go massive.
There willl be those who think the GOP was not crazy enough (see Palin, Sarah) and there will be those that think it was too crazy (see those that the teabaggers want to primary).

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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 07:12 AM
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34. No it won't ...
A lot of people here just do not get the GOP ...

It's lazor like focus on hating dems will rally it past itself in a friggen heartbeat ...

They even pickup on seat in either chamber (and it will be a lot more than that) and they wculd claim victory and a mandate to be even more crazy than they have been ...

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 08:43 PM
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10. What will happen if they lose one or both Houses of Congress?
Edited on Mon Oct-04-10 08:47 PM by Mass
Not saying your question is not a valid one, but it seems a little late.

The silver lining of having shorter minorities, in particular in the House, is that a bunch of Blue dogs will not be there. Same in the Senate, with the potential exception of Feingold. Neither Lincoln nor Bennett are great liberals, and the other seats we are losing are dems who are not running again (not that we regret Bayh anyway, and Dorgan, though good in some domains, was weak on social issues).
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 08:44 PM
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11. guns come out
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 08:48 PM
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12. The right-wing tries to engage in "second amendment solutions"
...to quote Sharon Angle.
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northoftheborder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 08:49 PM
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14. whatever happens, win or lose, MORE gridlock.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 11:34 AM
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41. Somewhere I read they said "the next time we come here, we will be armed"
during the Beck Teabagger march in DC.
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recoveringdittohed Donating Member (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 09:18 PM
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15. Senate needs to change its rules
Get rid of the anonymous hold and make it harder to filibuster.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 09:20 PM
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16. We might nominally keep the Senate
the day after the election, then the horse-trading starts to see which Blue Dogs and DINO's can be bought over by the Rethuglican party. Let's face it, our side would just be getting payback for grabbing Snarlin' Arlen.

As for the House, if we do keep it, there will surely be congresscritters who would have kept their seats only by the most razor-thin of margins. They'll have the hell scared out of them, and will try to moderate anything the President proposes.

And the worst part is, we'll still have nominal 'control', and the Repukes will not have to govern, they can play the party of no game for another two years. But I don't think that's how it's going to turn out...
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 09:22 PM
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17. The Dems will have to find new excuses for screwing up.
There is a lot of truth to the claim that the worst thing that happened recently to the Democratic Party was winning both Houses of Congress AND the White House.

Most people simply cannot understand how a political part with such an overwhelming advantage could be so consistently a wallflower at the prom.

GOP filibusters, or the threat thereof? Make them carry out the threat OR eliminate the "gentlemen's agreement" from the get-go.

Have to go it alone with no GOPuke support? Go it alone.

Stop being afraid to stand up for something and do the people's business, that stuff you were elected for.

Just a few ideas.

I'm in a real good mood, now that Rham is gone.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 07:16 AM
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35. This is a joke, right?
"There is a lot of truth to the claim that the worst thing that happened recently to the Democratic Party was winning both Houses of Congress AND the White House."
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 07:48 AM
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38. The whole post
has to be a joke...statements like "an overwhelming majority", "If you have to go it alone then go it alone"......What color do you suppose the sky is in that poster's world? Wow! Absolutely no concept of how government actually works in this country.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 09:22 PM
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18. Hopefully change the filibuster rules at the beginning of the new Congress. nt
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 09:22 PM
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19. More war, I'll bet. nt
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 10:09 PM
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20. Teabagger Heads will Spontaneously Explode
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 07:04 AM
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32. If we on the left were smart, that's should be enough to motivate us.
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 10:16 PM
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54. That will be the 2nd best thing that happens.....
The best thing will be that we can hopefully get more done.


However, the teabagger head explosions will ALMOST bring more joy to me.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 10:12 PM
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21. I have no idea in the short term. But in the long tem (2012) the Democrats
could come back even bigger if they manage the economy competently.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 11:19 PM
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24. What you said, glass half full concept nt
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 11:30 AM
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40. Right now I look at this as keeping the barbarians at the gate until the
Edited on Tue Oct-05-10 11:30 AM by Guy Whitey Corngood
reinforcements arrive.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 10:45 PM
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22. Well they better chuck out bi=partisanship its doesn't work.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-10 11:43 PM
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25. Things like this --


IF we're lucky!

I expect full-grown pigs would be a lot more damaging to planes than geese!
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 12:50 AM
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26. It depends. If we expand the Senate majority...
then a lot of things will start happening.
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some guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 01:01 AM
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27. Corporate short-term interests
continue to dominate; the empire continues to collapse.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 01:22 AM
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28. There is no way to know. n/t
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ProgressOnTheMove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 01:25 AM
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29. Well they won't shut down Congress bringing the nation to a halt sure some will play up but we'd of
Edited on Tue Oct-05-10 01:28 AM by ProgressOnTheMove
kept the hounds at the door. Also we'll of avoided a double dip recession and had they put their put their second trashing of the economy on Pres. Obama's shoulders we'd of also avoided President Palin. Now that people are paying attention we've really dodged a bullet as long as we're in 'fired up' mode all the way to November.
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 01:45 AM
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30. Business as usual I think. Don't some Dems vote with Republicans? n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:50 AM
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31. The Republican civil war will reach leadership positions


There will be competition for both head of the Senate and Congressional Republican caucuses.


A significant minority will want to become more obstructionist and go with the Tea Party mantra.


New leaders will center on less ideological and more intelligent types like Cantor.


The breakdown of caucus discipline will allow the Democrats to negotiate with particular Senators and once the flood gates are broken about 10 moderate Republican Senators will be going out of their way to get their name on a bill that passes, why?


Because in 2012 the Republican Civil War will be an all out fight between the old hand economic/security conservatives and the religious right. The old hands know that the result will be a massive win by Obama and they will want to have some landmark legislation that bears their name. Some with hispanic populations will move on immigration, others will move on sustainable energy. Its one thing to have no achievements in an off election but running in a general election with an incumbent President is another matter.
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 03:18 PM
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44. Are there 10 moderate Republicans left?
I thought the Senators from Maine were it as far as the moderate wing of the GOP goes.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 09:11 PM
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52. Even conservatives like Grassley that come from blue leaning states

will want to find something to put their name on.


The alternative for a Senator is to go back and say that they got nothing passed and accomplished nothing. That will only sound good in the reddest of states.

Even people like Lindsay Graham understand that at some point you have to go back and show the people that you got something done.
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 05:36 PM
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63. Too bad I can't rec this...
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 12:42 PM
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43. pigs will fly?
sorry but I can't see the House being DEM... the Senate, EASY.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 05:04 PM
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45. Don't you have that backwards?
Democrats will retain the house, albeit with a slimmer majority...the Senate is another matter.

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 07:03 PM
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49. probably not much
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cyr330 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 07:19 PM
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51. There will be an ENORMOUS fucking
MELTDOWN!!! Won't it be fun to watch? We've been hearing so much about that boner, Boehner. I bet he'll throw himself on the floor, screaming & kicking :) I can't wait to see it!
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creon Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 09:28 PM
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53. Don't know
If the Democrats do maintain a majority, what is the legislative agenda?
Are there any plans for this next Congress if there is a Democratic majority?


If Democrats vote, there will be a Democratic majority.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 03:50 AM
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57. Depends on how much. If it's under 60 in the Senate...well it won't change by anything.
Unless we have some new progressive blood to push things through aggressively. Ditto for the House.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 06:10 AM
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58. priority one -
filibuster reform.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 06:47 AM
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59. SSDD. More legislation to increase Corporate Profits.
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GrantDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 03:00 PM
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62. The GOP civil war will erupt starting November 3...
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