Amazing...the GOP stomps on the Hispanics, the Vets, those on Medicare, social security, food stamps

[opihimoimoi]

and the DEMs are in troubles???

The Latinos, etc, had better step up to the plate and vote to protect their interests....if the GOP wins,....all of us will lose big time

[vi5]

1. The recent immigration bill...

..was bipartisan, and was signed by the president. And as far as I could tell was directed mostly at enforcement on our southern border. If I were latino and concerned about anti-immigration hysteria, and I saw that the one thing that the 2 parties can seem to agree on in a painfully contentious 2 years was that people coming in from Mexico was a mortal danger to the well being of our country, and that despite all the deficit hysteria both parties agreed that it was important to spend however much of a ridiculous amount of money and resources to stop people from coming in from the southern border.........well let's just say if I saw that I don't know that I'd be overly enthused about "stepping up to the plate" for either party.

[opihimoimoi]

2. "Either Party" to my mind is a GOPer Meme...Dems are different from the nasty GOPers

DEms have empathy

The Pubs do not

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[w4rma]

6. DLC Democrats ers are like that. Progressive Democrats are tough from fighting overwhelming odds. nt

[vi5]

4. Empathy...

So does that mean that while they vote with the republicans to create a climate of anti-hispanic fear by passing draconian immigration legislation, they just feel really bad about it? Does that mean that when they show hypocricy by complaining about the deficit when it comes to things progressives want, but manage to find hundreds of million dollars for something right wing militias want that they do it with a tinge of sadness and sympathy?

Yeah, obviously there are differences in the parties, but demanding that any one of these very specific demographic groups that the democratic party has consistently betrayed or attempted to placate with scraps "step up to the plate" as though the democrats have consistently and steadfastly acted in any of those groups interests is just a bit much.

[old mark]

5. There are times I'm not sure WHOSE interests the Democrats are supporting...

at times not even their own...


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[lunamagica]

9. Exactly. There's disillusionment because the so much promised

"immigration reform with a path to citizenship during my first year of office" didn't materialize; and instead deportations have reached record numbers, much more than when Republicans were in charge. This is not what was promised, or expected.

I don't see Hispanics running to the Republican side because of this, but you can't really expect the same hope and enthusiasm from two years ago. What will happen is that many will simply stay home, mostly those who have seen friends or relatives deported while having the Dems in charge. Others will vote, but will be more of a "lesser evil" kind of thing. Will that number be enough to keep the Dems on top? Who knows...

[treestar]

11. Like everything else, there is no excuse for this

Hope and enthusiasm that weak just isn't hope and enthusiasm at all.

This issue it is especially true, where there is no way the Republicans would do anything but much, much worse.

It's insane. If the issue were so important, then desperation would serve rather than hope and enthusiasm.

Just go and vote. How much enthusiasm is needed for that? This meme makes the voters out to be lazy and not really caring.

There is no way this immigration reform could have passed in the first two years - at least a Democratic Congress is a better bet for supporting the POTUS on this one. And the job numbers have to get better for it. Logical or not, there is no way there will be any amnesty with a high unemployment rate.

[lunamagica]

12. Much, much worse? Didn't you read that deportations have DRAMATICALLY INCREASED under this

administration? Sorry, but to those who have had family/friends deported it couldn't get any worse than this. They went to vote in good faith, believing (thanks to Obama's own words) that he was on their side and understood their plight. Then when elected he not only didn't deliver, but did exactly the opposite and acted the way most Hispanic feared Republicans would act, only going further and DRAMATICALLY INCREASING deportations. Do you think I can look in the eye at people who have had family and friends rounded up and deported and tell them "don't hold it against the Democrats, vote for them anyway"? Do you? These people in particular won't vote Democratic because they feel BETRAYED (and rightly so)

For those who haven't been touched by deportations (yet), the best I can do is say, "yes, but the Republicans are worse". I can't in good conscience talk about all that was promised because, frankly, I don't know if I believe it anymore.

Most people vote based on what candidates promise. When Obama campaigned on passing immigration reform during the first years people didn't go analyzing job numbers and how factual could be. They just believed Obama. If he said it, that meant that he had a way of making it work. Obama was the one who knew the facts, the numbers, the possibility of making it happen; if what you say is true and immigration reform was impossible, why did he ask for their vote based on that promise?

Even now he still talking about it, but only when talking before Hispanic groups. Why keep dangling that carrot? Well, the answer is obvious. But to keep giving hope when you are not planning to deliver is just wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I hope and want with all my heart that the Democratic Party stays on top because the prospect of Republicans in power terrifies me. I just wanted to give the POV of those who have suffered what they feared the most during the past two years, and why the Hispanic vote will probably be lower (much lower?) this time around.

[opihimoimoi]

10. This is exactly what the GOPers wish....confusion by division...they come to divide us, weaken us..

with divisive issues...they fear the big picture....that the GOPO as a whole...doesa not have Americas best interest at heart.

[wiggs]

7. Not to mention stepping on teachers, unions, the unemployed, gays and lesbians,

atheists, minimum wage earners, muslims, etc.

They are making a strong case to vote gop if you're white, wealthy, and christian sociopath married but with no kids or interest in the environment. That, or CEO of a global corporation.

[opihimoimoi]

8. The GOP Predicts what they gonna do if they get their way...that should scare the shit

outta everyone w brains and true patriotism


WE have been warned