Bernie Sanders, join Dean and Krugman under the pure bus. Obama is there since January

[impik]

Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders said on Rachel Maddow last night that the Senate deal may be stronger than the watered-down public options being considered. "I think it is not fair to simply say they're abandoning the public option. What you're looking at is trade-offs, which in fact at the end of the day may be stronger than the very weak public options that both the House and the Senate have already passed."

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/live/health-care/?ref=fpblg#306834

[SIMPLYB1980]

1. Thanks for the link.

:thumbsup:

[Davis_X_Machina]

2. The compromise doesn't use the magic words "Public Option".

No spell is effective unless uttered correctly.

All those Harry Potter books and movies and no one's learned anything.

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[valerief]

4. Medicare for All! nt

[bluestateguy]

8. I agree! And this can be a pathway for doing that.

Just as the public option was appealing to progressives for a similar reason.

From Day One the goal after (if) this bill passes will be to lower the Medicare age limit, gradually down to no age limit.

[impik]

22. Some "progressives" need to look for the word "progress" in the dictionary

[KrR]

36. So you want to repeal Medicare if we dont all get it right? n/t

[Drunken Irishman]

5. I GIVE UP! FUCK THIS SHIT! I AM DONE! I'M MOVING TO NORWAY!

:sarcasm:

[NYC_SKP]

6. .

Adding you to my very large "buddy list".

I only have 14 on ignore, some of them are no longer with us.

Thanks for this and for your other kind posts, impik!

:toast:

[impik]

21. I'm flattered :)

[Vincardog]

7. I like the MEDICARE option better than the watered down PO. I think if should be for EVERYONE and

they should eliminate any requirement for individuals to buy private insurance.

[Davis_X_Machina]

10. I do too. Now go get 60 Senate votes. n/t

[Vincardog]

19. If they won't vote for us, we so not have to vote for hem.

[uponit7771]

9. PONY!!!!!! /sarcasm.....Medicare at 55 sounds better than PO if they regulate HCI's to 90% of cash..

...to patients

[Deep13]

13. Are they doing that?

I'm asking because I haven't heard anything about that except that many here have said it would be an improvement.

[Deep13]

11. Shitty Senate deal less shitty than mere shell of a P.O. ...

So if a national system like England is a 100 and the status quo is zero, we have moved to 20. Maybe. A mere shell of a public option would have been 18, while a robust P.O. that anyone can join is a 30.

[dionysus]

34. put it in perspective. after decades and decades of 0, you get 20.

while we want 100, looking at it that way 20 is good. after decades of republicans screwing up the country in many ways, we end up thinking we can get it all in a year once we get a Democrat back as president. and we can't.

[KrR]

37. How can you comment like this when you

didn't even know about the 90% provision? WTF

[rucky]

12. where's the part where people throw Bernie under the bus?

[Davis_X_Machina]

14. It's full under the bus.

He has to ride on top. After all, this is D(K)U, where I was told with a strait face that Sen. Kennedy was a tool of the insurance companies.

[27inCali]

16. good lord the Left is getting weird

drunk on the illusion of power I suppose.

[dionysus]

35. it's odd isn't it? 8 years on DU under bush, only to have to be beat up for supporting

a Dem president...

and some posters pining about how much better DU was in the old days (2004), when you're like "you whippersnappers!"

i was arguing with DLCers on here 6 years ago, and now am being called a paid DLC shill by noobs.

only the old school DUers would understand.

[27inCali]

15. what if we still just call it Public Option

so all the kids can calm the fuck down for a minute.

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[dgibby]

26. Leftbaggers?

What, exactly does that term mean to you?

If you're comparing some of your fellow DUers to the teabaggers, then I take it that you think we are racists, bigots, etc., because, for the most part, that's what teabaggers are.

IS that what you mean? If it isn't, please explain. Thanks.

[grytpype]

27. Crazy lefties who join Repugs in attacking Obama for not giving them 100% of what they want.

Teabaggers and Leftbaggers are on the same side, they want Obama to fail and Republicans to take over again.

[Clio the Leo]

18. 'xactly. NT

[AllentownJake]

20. The Goal Post has been moved to the one yard line nt.

[phleshdef]

23. BERNIE SANDERS THE CORPORATIST SELLOUT OMGZ!!!!

[cadmium]

24. Sanders is right. This is much

better than any of the proposed public options in the either HELP committee or the Congressional bills. This is much more direct progress to universal Medicare. Since Medicare admin structure is already in place expanded Medicare stands a much greater chance of success than a new entity that will probably be sloppiy administered.

[arcadian]

25. How can Obama be under the bus while driving it?

That's talent.

[impik]

28. He is *that* good.

[KrR]

38. Not his bus genius... its the DU bus.

[OKNancy]

29. Shhh. don't tell anyone, but

this is the slippery slope. I'm sure he and others are thinking it will be a success and then we will slide down the age on Medicare step by stop.

[cadmium]

30. Yes good progress. This uncouples

Medicare from disability and retirement. This is a big step toward Medicare access for all.

[Undercurrent]

31. Mighty crowded under that idealogical bus!

Guess Jay Rockefeller is now a tossed-under too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x45520

[Armstead]

32. No you tiotally don get (or want to get) what merits being under the bus

Your cute little post reveals a compoete misunderstanding (or unwillingess to understand) why some people criticize the behavior of some Democrats.

Bernie has been stalwart and fought hard for meaningfukl health reform. If at the end of the day, he decides to go with the only alternative as better than nothing, he will still have the respect of many.

Those who get criticized -- or "thrown under the bus" in your snide phrase -- are those who obviously either did not want meaningful health reform or who caved in without a fight.

[ClarkUSA]

33. Great news and good points. Thanks!

Nice to see those with credibility drowning out the whines of the 24/7 Obama Outrage Club.

[Cha]

39. KR!