Check in here if you think that all these polls showing a Republican sweep is a buncha bullshit

[michreject]

I for one think that they are.

[la la]

1. me too---

but only if we dems get out the vote!

[HowHasItComeToThis]

115. PROPAGANDA FROM THE FASCISTS

VOTE ONCE, VOTE TWICE, VOTE OFTEN

[Cal33]

165. Yes, and make sure the Neocons don't rig the votes- ELECTRONICALLY and AT EVERY BOOTH.

[still_one]

2. Only if the progressives don't vote. The polls assume that conservatives are more likely to vote

then progressives

[Rosa Luxemburg]

31. progressives WILL vote for Dems

we've had our little tantrum but we are mostly on board to vanquish the GOP

[still_one]

43. Then we will win /nt

[Betty Karlson]

56. It's not a little tantrum

It's a big indignation at the shortcomings of the new administration. There have been a few too many compromises with the neo-conservatives.

And Obama and co would do well to double their efforts to meet campaign promises. Meanwhile, we should also consider how to flip a few tight races where we can: Kentucky perhaps, New Hampshire? My idea is that "stop whining, vote Democrat" won't be the winning slogan and/ or strategy. Hell No To Evil might work better at this stage.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

98. so the alternative is Republican privatization

[rbilancia]

99. You have MOUNTAINS of PROGRESS with this administration. Sorry it is purity, but it is PROGRESS !

[bobburgster]

149. "Hell No To Evil " works for me n/t

[breadandwine]

65. The problem is they nationalize the election and we don't.

As long as we continue to treat each race individually with no national ads nailing the GOP as a group, highlighting key GOP lunatics as "poster children" for their whole party, we lose. Michael Moore called for a national Democratic ad blitz and said without it, we lose. He's right. Since our party is determined to sit in the corner and mind our own business being "nice" while they punch our lights out, while we do nothing to nail their party as a whole and make an issue out of things like Social Security and their sick sales tax (there are millions of products so that's MILLIONS of taxes, including on TEA) we lose.

Our party refuses to fight and insists on treating the election as individual races. The other sides sits there with the biggest glass jaw in modern American history and we continue to not belt them one.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

[molly77]

79. Get the DLC out of the DNC and maybe we have a chance

DLC goes all around the country supporting repub lite. ..who vote with the republicans. Howard Dean is a good example of what is wrong with the democratic party. He was thrown under the bus. The clintons , who are the DLC , need to go to. Bill came to ME to raise money for Libby Mitchell running for gov....it did not help her chances.

[tavalon]

158. What? Get the foxes out of the henhouse?

Why in the world would we want that?:sarcasm:

[bobburgster]

150. I agree m/t

[creon]

67. true

If people who vote Democrat get out and vote, the election will work out fine for the Democrats. But, people have to vote.

[bkozumplik]

106. assumes?

polls dont assume.

[tavalon]

109. The polls are priming the ground for Diebold

It may not matter who actually votes as long as the meme says Rethug landslide.

[HomerRamone]

119. correct

:argh:

[sulphurdunn]

135. And should exit polls disagree

they will be tweaked to fit the vote tallies and earlier poll predictions.

[femmocrat]

3. Maybe those polls will energize democrats to get out there and fight.

At least I hope so.

[michreject]

4. Maybe so

But do you believe that there is any truth to many of the polls showing the shift in the balance of power?

[BadGimp]

5. it's a good strategy and a logical one but it's all a bunch of lies and distortions

.. you can be the election stealing apparatus is in full swing however, they will try to steal it where they can..

[impik]

40. well, it's working. They know how to steal elections, and we are bunch of losers

[lamp_shade]

6. Checking in.

[stray cat]

7. I thought Kerry would win in 2004 as did most of DU but the polls were right

[lunatica]

21. But the polls were wrong in 2006 and 2008

and they're wrong now

[Upton]

27. Wrong in 2008?

Doesn't look that way to me..

Final RCP average: Obama +7.6

Final results: Obama +7.3


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

[INdemo]

74. Kerry did win in 2004 ..it was stolen..And if we would have had

a real Democrat in charge of the DNC at that time, we would have had all the votes counted and won by hundreds of thousands of votes
The corporate mafia wanted a puppet for another four years and they laid the ground work to steal it and they did...

[doc03]

8. Usually polls are very accurate like it or not, they are assuming

Democrats not voting and past elections support that assumption. We will know on November 2nd.

[rbilancia]

10. Get out and WORK THE PHONES, canvass, put up signs, donate, rally, etc. Just DO IT.

[struggle4progress]

28. !+

And welcome to DU

:) :toast: :)

[Joe Chi Minh]

57. Aren't you making the bizarre assumption that the Republican-privatised voting machines

were not 'malfunctioning'?

[rbilancia]

9. Others have shown "tightening", Dems "surging," "tied" on the generic. Look, just get out and canv-

ass, phonebank, rally, network online, donate, and VOTE. It is just that simple. It is all about GOTV and persuading enough mods that the RePUKES are nutcase backwardass assholes. Don't read the polls. Just WORK !

[Parker CA]

11. It's what they tried to pull in the GE in '08. Dems will prevail and wreck the meme as the

pollsters run to get in line with the accurate numbers.

Get out and vote!!

[michreject]

13. When will this change start?

I keep waiting.

[Parker CA]

14. In '08 it was about a week before the election. Little longer to go. nt

[pattmarty]

145. Amen! I said that when Scott Brown won the "sure" Kennedy seat........

..........in Ma it was because of Obama's inability to accomplish much of anything at that time. In my opinion that is still the case he has lost most independents and a lot of liberal Dems. Sorry, I truly believe that. I will vote, but so I don't get booted off here again, I won't say for who.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. Most Of The Polls Showed A Consistent Lead For Obama From Mid September Of 08

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm

[bemildred]

12. Check.

The notion that you can predict what will happen next time based on the assumption that it will be sort of like last time is indeed bullshit.

[pattmarty]

146. So ALL the polls are wrong then?

[Bitwit1234]

15. And the damn polls that say there are MORE conservatives

than Democrats or Independent are screwy. Look at how many more people voted for Obama in the last election. And I still think they scammed the machines and if they hadn't he would have gotten more. I think they didn't really know how many would come out and vote and they underestimated. Because that many people in this country would not have voted for McCain especially with Palin as VP. I still think they cheated. I wouldn't put anything pass the republicans after the last two years.

[Cal33]

18. I, like you, believe that the Neocons "scammed the machines"

in Nov. 2008. Don't you think they'll rig the votes by a much larger percentage
next month? Most states are still blithely using the Republican-made machines
today. We've only had 10 years of warning, but somehow don't seem to care very
much. I think this attitude will lead to nothing but trouble -- especially
where the races are very tight.

[mommalegga]

140. What I dont understand about that...

If the machines are rigged why only rig them to a certain degree? If you are going to commit election fraud wouldnt you want to "go all out" and make sure you get the win? I mean if you
can rig the machine to add 5% to your guy, why not rig it so that your guy will always win?

If the machines were rigged for a Bush over Kerry win, why didnt they work in '08? Its just a simple matter of programming:

Total Votes = D votes + R Votes

Random X where X > .50 < .56

Y = 1 - X

New R Votes = Total Votes * X

New D Votes = Total Votes * Y

Ta dah!

Bottom line is, everyone needs to get out and vote. If the base does not get out it will be a bloodbath. At best we will lose some seats as it appears the independents are leaning R this election.

[Cal33]

163. True. The bottom line is everyone should get out and vote. About how much

to rig the vote with: I can imagine that if they used too high a percentage, the
rigging would become too obvious, and the Dems. would be raising hell. It would
be advantageous to beat the opposition by not too high a margin, as it would be
more difficult to prove.

I think the Neocons miscalculated the last time. They didn't expect such a
huge turnout by the Dems. It's likely that they will be willing to take a bigger
risk this time. They know what the stakes are, just as we do, even though it's
only a mid-term election.

I really believe that the Neocons have yet to win a single election honestly.
They are simply outnumbered, and they know it. They have to cheat to win, and
many Dems. don't seem to mind too much -- which, of course, makes the Neocons all
the happier.

[mommalegga]

167. Well the point I made with my calculation is you

dont have to "pad" with "extra" points really; just pick a random number within a range that does not draw attention that is high enough to overcome the Dem votes. My calculation also provides that the total of votes for each side will always equal total cast. So what you got is a pre-programmed "victory" that doesnt draw attention to itself with lopsided percentage wins and overvotes.

Your idea that adding a set extra percentage points is not effective since 1) The increase didnt have the desired result becasue too many voted for Obama, and 2)it draws attention to itself as you said it could.... So this is a crappy way too rig an election. BUT it is the only way one could claim the election was rigged in two elections but only worked in one. Which to me makes the election rigging claim kinda dubious.

BTW I cant help myself, I do programming for a living LOL!

So...

Get out and vote!!!!!!!

[Rozlee]

84. Most people don't know the difference between a conservative and a liberal

Someone should do a "You may be a liberal..." type routine sort of like Jim Foxworthy's "You may be a Redneck." As in:

"If you support Social Security for the elderly and disabled so that they won't be homeless and huddling over a grate for warm like they were before the 1930s...you may be a liberal."

"If you support an interstate highway paid by a single tax of maybe .09 cents of your payroll a year instead of toll roads every two miles that'll suck you dry run by different corporations... you may be a liberal."

"If you want 911 services to come to your home when your Dad has fallen unconcious from chest pain, and not have to worry about which one of 32 numbers to call from differenct corporate 'Emergency Dispatch Services'...you may be a liberal."

Then maybe a whole lot of people would realize that they're not really so conservative after all.

[Enthusiast]

94. Yup.

America is liberal but they are told they are conservative. We are actually not all that different than our European brothers in actual political sentiment when it comes to the social safety net, consumer protection and food & drug safety. But basic media unfairness fosters an unreality.

[damonm]

17. Here's one more.

[michreject]

19. Thanks

There has to be more than just a hand full.

[blackbart99]

73. The Bush's are from CT. remember?

Bush is a fake Texan. He is down there simply near his money making apparatus...the idiot
rethug texans.

[damonm]

133. Sorry, Texas gets him.

Married in TX, kids went to school in TX, ran for Congress from TX, elected as Governor of TX - TWICE, maintains residence in TX.
Vote to elect him twice, and the state gets to keep him.

[lunatica]

20. Yes. It's all bull

Democrats have won the last two elections and they claimed the same thing. Democrats aren't going to give up now.

[kestrel91316]

22. K&R - they are coordinated propaganda designed to demoralize the left.

[ellenfl]

23. i think they're trying to make it so. eom

[AndrewP]

25. Exactly

[Bluenorthwest]

24. Me too

polls are a scam.

[MadMaddie]

26. It's the MSM and the Chamber of Commerce trying to sway

the election. They are trying to keep people from the polls.

The polls are bullshit!

[stubtoe]

86. Fraid so. The drumbeat has been relentless, has it not?

I'm eager to say "told ya so" to the MSM come Nov. 3

[EC]

29. you betcha...

of course they are...they are mostly robo-calls and done by businesses who have interests in repubs winning...

[1monster]

30. Only if the vote counters count honestly. If, as in previous elections, the vote

counters are programmed to count in a way that is not honest, the the poll are probably what will happen.

Not what the voters voted, mind. Just what the counters counted.

(You may call me, Ms. Supremely Cynical (It's on my birth certificate, honest!)

[Hippo_Tron]

32. It depends on whether or not this "tea party enthusiasm" is real

If Dems stay home and the wingnuts get out and vote I think it's going to be a GOP sweep. If the wingnuts stay at home as well I think Dems could keep the House.

[Orsino]

33. Self-fulfilling prophecy.

If the TV says it for long enough, it will be true.

[66 dmhlt]

34. I think Vodka provides a reply to those polls ...

[wiggs]

35. Inconceivable that Fiorina is close to Boxer in CA. nt

[glinda]

36. I am worried. No one would run (be confident) a bunch of idiots, thieves and nuts unless they

have a November surprise such as " voting machine or something crooked" up their sleeves.
I mean, it is possible that they are just hyping but my concern is that it is a set up to cover for ripping off the Democratic process. Maybe I am just too worried.

[Whisp]

37. buncha bullshit is right

can see right through the fuckers.
all their wailing and gnashing of teeth.
the corporate bosses are pressing on the pantaloon shitters that face the cameras.

[impik]

38. I don't. I think we're heading for a massive loss. This country

is stupid and doomed, and it's all on us - Democrats - because we're taking the ball and go home the minute things gets tough. Shame on us.

[Codeine]

82. You're right. Completely, terribly, tragically right. nt

[donheld]

39. That, or to prepare us mentally so when they steal this election

They can say "see we told you"

[krispos42]

41. The incumbency rate tends to be very high.

People always say "throw them ALL out!" but usually think THEIR rep is okay, and that somebody else's congresscritter is the problem.

[barbtries]

42. i think it all hinges

on people getting out to vote. the more people vote, the less republicans who will win.

[saltpoint]

44. A lot of Democrats who were not fully attuned all

summer are just now coming to life.

The coffers are filling more rapidly. The yard signs are going up. Phones ring.

I think the polling has reflected the summer doldrums and that the November results will show very considerable shifts.

[Stellar]

45. Just Remember to VOTE !

:)

[meowomon]

46. I think the teabaggers winning the GOP primaries will help

Independents won't vote for the crazy people with guns.

[JDPriestly]

47. In California, the Democrats have put up much better candidates

than the Republicans. People don't like Fiorina or Whitman very much. I hear that a lot.

[michreject]

59. Have you expanded your circle of friends?

To include people of both parties.

I hear the same party loyalty from all of my friends but they all belong to the same political party as I do. I'm kinda sheltered from the opposition.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

48. Phone banking Sunday in L.A.

Got an invite from MoveOn - hosts are doing a barbecue, all we have to do is show up with fully charged cell phones and a dessert. Sounds good to me. There may be an event in your area.

[SlipperySlope]

49. Big stinking pile of...

...bull

[Hamlette]

50. What is odd this year is the huge swings in the generic Dem/GOP ballot

it goes from the GOP ahead by 10 to the Dems ahead by 2 and back to the GOP ahead by 8 or 9 over the course of 2 weeks. What's up with that?

[Kablooie]

51. I've got no idea.

But I fear some GOP predictions might be right because Dems that don't keep track of politics will likely let voting slide and the Fox News Repugs will flock to the polling booths.

[Hekate]

52. Buncha wishful thinking, too

[opihimoimoi]

53. GOPer MEME to discourage the DEM VOTERS...they ain't shit...

[Ysabela]

54. They are laying the storyline out for the public so that Diebold...

ES&S, Sequoia, etc can steal another election. They tampered with the 2006 vote to make the landslide much less drastic, and in 2008 as well. Elections from now on will always fall within the plausible 41-59% swing range. Now they'll be able to steal enough votes with their electronic, no trace, voting systems to put Republicans to 51% in enough swing seats to take back the House and/or Senate.

[tomm2thumbs]

61. +1 good thinking, could be that the pre-2008 polls that were showing it as close were

an attempt to do the same, but they were finally overwhelmed by the sheer numbers, and there was no way to fake a reverse landslide. Although I wonder if they did beat it back in a few states by keeping them from going for the democrats.

nothing surprises me when you hear what lies are done in the name of 'patriotism' at the Pentagon and elsewhere

[annabanana]

129. WE can no long just "win".. we must overwhelm every time.

level playing field my sweet aunt fanny

[DesertDiamond]

55. Smokescreen for when they steal the next election - or try to

[Hubert Flottz]

58. A plan to make vote stealing easy to pull off.

Republicans above all else LIE!

[tomm2thumbs]

60. land-liners (people who answer polls) are older, tend to be at home doing nothing, and bored

oh, that sounds like every freakin' Republican I know

while on the other hand, Democrats are busy making things happen in life, have cell phones to get things done on the move, and are smart enough NOT to take blocked calls on their phones because it is either a time-wasting poll or a sales call.

Democrats vote their conscience at the booth when it matters. Last election was a case in point. I think the one thing that needs to happen is that people understand to vote early, if possible, and to try absentee if they can, so they don't miss the chance if a family emergency occurs voting day.

_ _ _

I do think that the momentum of all the idiots claiming to be 'on the move' are nothing more than right wing pollster companies and press-influenced stories from the right that are poised to find themselves wrong in November.

This is the first year after a major influx of young voters where we get to see if the empowering feeling of voting takes the day.

[indimuse]

62. I'm 100! HA!

I got my *bootz* on!

[LawnKorn]

63. K&R

[BumRushDaShow]

64. K&R

With the note that teabaggers are just as unemployed as so many others and by now, they may have even had to drop cable service = No Faux Snooze for them. Sadly that leaves the radio gasbags but at least knocks one source of propaganda off their teevees...

[tilsammans]

76. They'd never give up their Fox fix!

They'd just go to Dunkin' Donuts or any number of other establishments that show Fox 24/7. :puke:

[fasttense]

66. What the polls don't show is what will happen between now and elections day

(Assuming the polls are not rigged) They can't predict what will happen between now and elections day.

What seems to be coming out on the radar is this foreclosure mess. The forgery of documents by the banks to cover their sloppy and illegal paperwork of years ago.

If the Obama Administration can get out in front of it withOUT bailing out the banks yet again, it will turn the polls in their favor.

Also tying the US Chamber of Horrors to China and India bribe money, in order to swing the votes for the out-sourcing of American jobs is a very good political move. People pay more attention as election nears. So, what happens between now and election day will have an impact.

[Speed8098]

68. Nothing But Propaganda

They're all full of sh*t. Our Democratic candidates will do fine. The tea baggers are almost a guarantee of a big win for the Dem's.

[BlueCollar]

69. In North Texas it's irrelevant

but I'll vote anyway...just out of spite.

[donquijoterocket]

118. don't know about spite

I buy into the maxim that if you don't participate in your own governance in at least this the first,least effort means of expressing your views then you've forfeited the right to complain too bitterly.That and it does tends to irritate the baggers and wingers I know who seem to operate off the assumption trying to be sold here.For the most part I hear a bunch of pitiable, pathetic, frightened children trying to learn and convince themselves to whistle past this graveyard.There will be some shifts. There always are in a midterm when one party is out of power, but I doubt a seismic shift much beyond the traditional.
I also tend to think the repubs have stepped on their own just a bit with their obstructionism.I believe people appreciate good faith efforts to deal with problems more than the repubs think they do.

[jerryster]

70. I keep going back to fivethirtyeight.com

Nate Silver continues to show the Republicans with a 67% chance of taking the House. He has also increased the probability of them taking the Senate. The reason for the latter is he shows Sharon Angle ahead (it is SO painful to write that!) and now it's possible that Joe Manchin's ego is going to cost us West Virginia. He could have just let it go until 2012.

I have to sadly conclude that the polls are not bullshit. But we have to go out and vote! There are still many more registered Dems and a higher percentage turnout than expected could move a few races in our direction. But right now it looks grim.

[blackbart99]

71. Unlike our opponents we do not think and act as one....

all the time. To take that and extrapolate it out to we are not going to vote is absurd.
We have a common enemy....the re-thuglicans...and their newer and more distasteful cousins
the Teabaggers. On this we can agree. We will be there on election day to make sure this new
wave of stupidity gets stopped right in its tracks. Anything short of holding on to the gains
we have made is unacceptable.

A future with the teabaggers in control is a nightmare I don't think I could endure.
:puke: :hurts: :wow: :grr: :nuke: :scared: :thumbsdown: :banghead: :hide: :yoiks:

[mfcorey1]

72. ITA HERE. n/t

[Bette Noir]

75. TV's interest is in a tight race. More people watch if they're in suspense,

and the stations can charge more for ad time if more people watch. It all has to do with the conventions of Western drama.

[treestar]

85. +1000

They will always gin up the drama as much as they possibly can.

[onethatcares]

77. oh yeah

what we're hearing is the constant yammering of 20 per cent of republicans on media that is controlled by the rightwing.

What could be unbalanced about that?

[XanaDUer]

78. BS

nt.

[madmom]

80. I pay no attention to polls.

[craigmatic]

81. I hope so. They really fucked up the country last time.

[OZark Dem]

83. GOTV

[Chorophyll]

87. Checking in.

:dem:

[ellie]

88. Yes, I think it is bullshit

but I hit unrec by mistake.

[sakabatou]

89. Here

[Earthshield]

90. Yep,, I'm a closet optimist.

[FirstTimeVoterAt37]

91. It's an effort to render people despondent

Sadly, it works very well.

[SemperEadem]

92. it's just like it was before the 2008 elections

the thugs were beating their chests talking about their sweep and when the night unfolded, they had nothing.

Same thing here. Just because the progressives haven't made it to the polls yet doesn't mean that the thugs
have already won this. What's that saying about counting chickens before they've hatched?

[elocs]

93. Just wondering, if you are wrong will you post a check in thread about that?

I've seen a lot of polls predicting it will be bad for Democrats, but I haven't seen "all these poll showing a Republican sweep". A Republican "sweep" is unlikely, for them to capture the House is more likely, and for Democrats to suffer losses without losing either house is very likely and what usually happens to the party in power in an off year election.

[Puppyjive]

95. Polling is a scam

It is a dirty little secret that the media use to get people to change their vote or not vote at all. Most people I have talked to do not want the repubs running the show again. Anyone with half a brain knows that it wasn't the dems who got us here.

[DCBob]

96. I can see this going either way depending on turnout...

If the Dems show up.. it wont be bad at all. If they dont.. it could get ugly.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

97. it won't be a Republican sweep

some people are frightened of the Teabaggers especially old Republicans

[rbilancia]

100. First, young people, lower income people, and minorities are underrepresented in the polls. Next,

IF Dems/liberals get it in gear and not only vote but do some canvassing and phone banking and even a little donating, we'll be ok. And, if our national leaders RELENTLESSLY ATTACK the RePUKES as the teabagger radical backwardass Wall-Street-loving Social Security and Medicare-hating fucking bastards that they are, we'll be ok. We must seriously and effectively taint the ReSCUMlican brand NATIONALLY.

But mid-terms are mainly about base turnout. If Dems vote, we'll be alright.

[COLGATE4]

101. Stalin said it best: "It's not the votes that count. It's who counts the votes"/ nt

[Chemical Bill]

103. +1

[Jester Messiah]

102. All part of the narrative

The media wants this election to be the "Empire Strikes Back" to 08's "New Hope".

[Beartracks]

104. Yep, this narrative was written in Nov. 2008...

... from the Media Templates Manual chapter entitled "Midterm Elections," sub-heading "Party not in power."

Honestly, falling prey to this big and obvious a meme must thrill some "journalists" out there, to the point where they exclaim to themselves, "Wow, this shit just practically writes itself!!!" :eyes:

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[bkozumplik]

105. you "think" the polls are shit huh

Thats hilarious.

These arent editorials or opinions. These are collections of facts. argue about the different types of polls if you like, but broad brushing them all and saying they are shit is ludicrous.

I can understand that you dont *like* the polling data, but by just saying "they are shit" you are just ignoring facts which are staring you in the face.

[Wednesdays]

136. So, if one poll shows something at 53% and another poll shows 60%,

which "fact" is correct? :shrug:

[bkozumplik]

148. what the author said, and what I was responding to, was this:

"Check in here if you think that all these polls showing a Republican sweep is a buncha bullshit"


Pretty much all the polls say it, so it doesnt matter which pool you pick. You can infer from the data that people are dissatisfyed and the enthusiasm gap is real and needs to be addressed head on.

If you want to straw man it by nit picking poll analysis methods, to pretend the data is meaningless, have fun with that exercise. The poll data is clear. A lot of people just dont want to deal with what it says.

[mcollier]

154. Facts.... Here are some FACTS...

Republican Candidates Agenda:

1. Voting against providing extended unemployment insurance to struggling job seekers all year long.
2. Want to pass laws to eliminate overtime pay.
3. Want to pass laws to eliminate or reduce the minimum wage.
4. Blocks bills to provide funds to small businesses for job creation.
5. Blocks bills to reward business that create jobs in America as opposed to outsourcing jobs overseas.
6. Want to dismantle the Dept of Education.
7. Blocks laws to hold Wall Street accountable.
8. Want to repeal health care reform.
9. Want to gamble social security in the stock market.
10. At nearly every turn republicans in government put the interests of big corporations far ahead of the interests of We The People...

Another FACT... The vast majority of the people in the USA are against this agenda....

Why vote for candidates that want to push these policies???

Answer: To some, apparently FACTS don't matter.

[Don Draper]

107. I wish the pollsters were wrong

But they are right. Let's not lie to ourselves. The rethuglicans are going to clean our clocks on Nov 2 because progressives are probably going to stay home (like they did in MA) and right wingnuts and stupid "swing voters" are going to come out in droves to vote for the rethuglicans. It's depressing but true. History and political science books tell us it's comming.

On another note, while I feel frustrated with Obama in many ways, the real problem isn't the DLC (which I despise btw), it's our broken political system. Unless we have a constitutional amendment banning corporations from bribing political leaders and reducing the amount politicians are allowed to recieve from individuals, then we cannot have unrealistic expectations of the democrats. Given these hurdles, Obama has done a descent job, but the public doesn't understand this.

[Wednesdays]

138. Nice try...

Moving right along...

[Don Draper]

159. Nice try?

Ok, I guess what you want to hear is that the Democrats are going to be victorious in November and that all the polling is wrong.

Sorry, but I prefer reality to fantisy. If it turns out I'm wrong (which I hope I am), I'll be more than happy to admit it. Likewise, I think you should do the same.

[grahamhgreen]

108. Maybe, but they literally own the voting machines.

Although I do think we will get the vote out!

[rainlillie]

110. The only way to prove the MSM wrong is to vote!

[LittleGirl]

111. Let the GOP polls makes shit up

Because that's what they want you to think.
That the polls show apathy, so everyone (liberal) will be apathetic.
I don't buy their b.s. and I do REMEMBER that two years ago, we spoke as a people. And we will continue to speak as long as they are the ones screaming and having a 'he's a Kenyan' tantrum. Come Nov 3rd (as long as there is no voter fraud) we will have spoken AGAIN and we will maintain our majority.
Yes We Did and Yes we Will.

[liberal N proud]

112. Propaganda works

[ElsewheresDaughter]

113. it is...it is all corporate pushed by corporate owned media....end of story

[BabbaTam]

114. yes

It seems like a hoax to me also. Of course it wouldn't surprise me if stoopid reigned. :crazy:

[Upton]

116. All the polls are BS?

That doesn't seem likely. You should realize that those polls now predicting a Republican victory are many of the same polling firms that were being celebrated almost daily here at DU in the run-up to the 2008 election. I don't think there's any conspiracy going on.

[penndragon69]

117. They are 100% correct.

Or so they believe that they are.
But then, most polling companies are owned and controlled
by Reich-wing corporate zealots.

The Rasmusen polls are one fine example of right wing
polling groups who skew their questions in order to
get the results that they can twist around to mean
anything they want.

[ProudDad]

120. A poll can be designed to get whatever "result" one wants

As for the execrable right-wing Rasmussen, they are habitually skewed 10 points toward the right...

And the Dems can't seem to see fit to get someone to do a more accurate poll? Especially here in the New Mississippi, bat-crap crazy Arizona...

[get the red out]

121. Bought and paid for

The media is corporate owned so they get what they pay for. I don't know how that would be news to anyone.

[woofless]

122. Here.

[WatchWhatISay]

123. What does Ate Silver say?

That is where I'll place my faith.

[veganlush]

124. you got it!

[ObamaKerryDem]

125. I think so too..

..and agree with others on this thread who have (I think rightly) said that the media is projecting this loss because they want it to be so. They NEED it or at least talk of it..for ratings, for "the horse race". But I notice a slow but steady meme shift. For months, most of them seemed so sure it was exactly like 1994 all over again; while there are still of course those who are saying that now, it seems to be growing less and less.

It all comes down to GOTV. We get out, we win. Period. It isn't as though there are suddenly all these neo cons that have just appeared on the scene. These are the same people that were always there, for the most part. There are still more of us. We just need to get out there and prove that..

[Vinca]

126. If some of the serious wingnuts actually win, we've got serious, serious

problems with the education system in this country. Far worse than we ever imagined.

[blondeatlast]

127. Here! nt

[Clear Blue Sky]

128. Agree. They are trying to depress Democrat turnout.

[harun]

130. Got that right. People I talk to are voting straight D.

[TwentyFive]

131. Here is how Republicans can WIN in 2010.

If the Democrats don't show up to vote!

Fascist, wingnut, hate filled christian make up 30% of voters here in aMurika. Another 5% are 'Economic Conservatives' who want a tax cut, even if it destroys the country. And they ***ALL*** vote. That makes 35% who would vote for Hitler, if he offered a tax cut and his name was something other than Hitler.

If only 1/2 of the 65% of normal patriotic citizens vote, that makes 32.5%.

So, the corporate owned media has it's marching orders....discourage patriotic Americans from voting. Sad.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

132. If You Changed Republican To Democrat You Could Have Posted This At Our Opponents Site In 06 & 08

Check in here if you think that all these polls showing a Republican sweep is a buncha bullshit. Check in here if you think that all these polls showing a Republican sweep is a buncha bullshit.

[apex nerd]

134. The Media Is Pro-Drama

They aren't going to let facts get in the way of a good narrative.

Unless a candidate has some sort of 20 point lead, it's a horse race apparently.

[greenman3610]

137. GOTV

[felix_numinous]

139. Watch out from now till election day

there will be terra alerts and all kinds of crap flying around to keep us from voting!!!

NOT GONNA WORK!!!!! :kick:

[proud patriot]

141. while I think they will win some it will IN NO WAY BE A SWEEP

I believe in my heart we will keep the majority

[Life Long Dem]

142. Obama just said he thinks a Republican sweep is a buncha bullshit

He actually said he thinks the pundit's are wrong, and added to not prove him wrong. But he thinks they are wrong about the dem turnout. I believe Obama.

[pattmarty]

143. AND, your reasons for your OPINION?????????????

[Catamount]

144. Everything is leading up to another theft......

just like in Ohio of 04...make the public believe this BS in advance ...and then it's easy to cheat!

Only one way to counteract--go out in HUGE numbers to VOTE!

[bobburgster]

147. I think all the hype, by big business aka mass media, is trying to ....

convince the uninformed voter which way to vote.... Republican

[bobburgster]

151. Don't forget the independents......they are important to the democrats success n/t

[alfredo]

152. Contact your Dem friends and urge them to vote. Then urge

them to contact their friends. My sister is doing it and so are her daughters.

[Lindsey]

153. I totally agree! I can't wait to vote. n/t

[alfredo]

156. I'm a precinct judge. I will be working the polls all day long.

[Deep13]

155. Sorry, but if anything I think they are an understatement.

Wish it were otherwise, but I think we're going to get creamed.

[w4rma]

157. We're going to lose seats. The spread on how many seats is huge, however.

It could be 14 seats or it could be 84 seats, but if the status quo stays as it is today, then it should hover around 43 seats. I expect the status quo to change. I expect Democrats to go into survival mode and change the status quo.

[AspenRose]

160. Yep.

[cigsandcoffee]

161. Agreed. I also think those people who say Unicorns and Leprechauns aren't real are full of shit. NT

[Blue_Tires]

162. checking in...

[arbusto_baboso]

164. It's called "working the ref".

If they claim victory long enough and loud enough, they hope to convince us it's true, so at least some Dems stay home and don't bother voting.

To be honest, methinks the repigs are whistling in the graveyard...

[mstinamotorcity]

166. I have always said they were BULLSHIT

All you need is the right demographics and you can make the polls say what you want them to say. Especially if you word the question in a certain way. I myself have never been polled. Neither has any of my friends. If you want repug opposition to the President you would poll repugs. Its just that simple. Vote in November and show them what we are working with.

[and-justice-for-all]

168. Uber Bullshit...nt

[RepublicanElephant]

169. kicked and rec'd nt

repubs and media whores setting us up for widespread election theft!