The Dems Have DRAWN BLOOD With The Foreign Money In Elections Charge

[Beetwasher]

The Repubs are going completely fucking apoplectic over it. I think the Dems blindsided them with this.

HAPPY OCTOBER YOU FUCKNUTS!!! You weren't expecting an attack from this direction, were you? :rofl:

[NewJeffCT]

1. This is a slam dunk issue

I hope the Dems keep on the attack on this.

[Beetwasher]

2. And The Timing Is Perfect

Knocking the Repubs on their heels 3 weeks out and keeping them on the defensive from this point forward.

[whathehell]

13. It's the BEST!!!...

Now, let us just hope they don't snatch victory from the jaws of defeat...again.:eyes:

[demwing]

57. Strike that

reverse it

[whathehell]

95. Whatever, dear

:eyes:

[demwing]

102. Whaddya Mean?

Let's recap:

NewJeffCT: "This is a slam dunk issue. I hope the Dems keep on the attack on this."
whathehell: "It's the BEST!!!... Now, let us just hope they don't snatch victory from the jaws of defeat...again."
Demwing: "Strike that. Reverse it."

In other words, "Let us just hope they don't snatch defeat from the jaws of victory...again."


I was enthusiastically agreeing with you, or with what I thought you were trying to say. Why the scorn?

[whathehell]

104. I'm sorry, Demwing..

Honest....It can be hard to discern intent here.

I took your message to be "corrective" and that's okay, but because it was so short and to the point, it seemed "snarky" to me...Now I know you were not intending that, so I'm glad you "called me out" on it.

As I'm sure you know, there can be a LOT of snark on this board, and sometimes it comes out of the blue.....You don't even have to earn it!.

So excuse my patronizing reply...and thanks again for clearing things up. :hi:

[demwing]

105. Absolutely no sweat

I knew you would be chill once I explained myself better :)

[whathehell]

107. Thanks..

A lot of snarkfests on DU could be avoided if we all "checked in" more with people instead of going to immediate "counterattack" :-)

[stopbush]

48. The best part is that every time an R ad runs from now til 11/2, people will wonder

if it was paid for with "dirty foreign money."

The D strategy here was brilliant. In effect, they have turned every R ad (whether paid for with foreign $ or not) into an anti-R ad.

It's like exposing steroid use in an athlete - everything they do (past or present) once the cat is out of the bag is looked upon as being questionable at best, cheating at worst.

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[fasttense]

76. Like allowing RepubliCONS to steal the election

would help matters?

Quit bad mouthing Democrats and know when you are being played.

[Ikonoklast]

83. Psssst.

Go away.

[tridim]

3. The best part IMO is their pathetic "defense"..

Which consists of "Leave us alone!" and "You can't see our books, just trust us".

Anyone buying that?

[Beetwasher]

5. They Were Totally Fucking Uprepared! It's Awesome! I Think I Read The DCC Ad Buy Was A TOTAL SECRET

Right up until the day before. Fucking brilliant.

[drm604]

4. Absolutely.

They need to keep hammering on this.

[disillusioned73]

6. "The Repubs are going completely fucking apoplectic over it."

There are some HERE @ DU as well, hmmmm interesting..

FUCK'M!!:dem:

It's about freaking time they started fighting back!!

[NewJeffCT]

7. Remember back in the 90s

weren't Republicans going crazy about some secret Chinese monks funneling money to Clinton or something looney like that, and they went apeshit over foreign money in US politics?

[doc03]

9. Somehow Al Gore was tied to that one, the Rethugs went

nuts about it.

[karynnj]

12. Right - He accepted a check at a Buddhist temple in (I think ) CA

Note - doing this was not even necessarily wrong. At least the contributors to it were known. (Gore did not have the ability to check the legality of every single one)

[NewJeffCT]

14. Thanks for refreshing my memory

I think I remember the Buddhist temple now. Of course, those California Buddhists are evil and must be stopped, while the Saudis, Chinese, Indians, etc donating to the Chamber of Commerce are all completely innocent and only have America's interests at heart.

[karynnj]

36. true - I'v never heard of the CA Buddhists working hard to facilitate sending jobs abroad

The problem is that some of that money did originate overseas, but as I said There was no way that Gore accepting the check could have known. It was the campaign's job to handle that and report everything correctly.

I think the depth of the corporate efforts against Democrats reflects the fact that the Democrats' legislation - weak though some here saw it - really did anger them. That and the fact that they think (and they may be right) that they can elect enough Republicans to make the Bush income and estate tax cuts permanent.

[DallasNE]

73. Think Of The Chambers Role Regarding Cap And Trade

When you factor in that Bahrain, the financial heart of the Middle East and holding a huge amount of petro dollars, is one of the largest foreign contributors to the Chamber. And think of how that hurts American businesses wanting to expand into green energy.

[Cassandra]

22. At the time, when Fred Thompson was...

salivating over the hearings about it, Bob Scheiffer on Face the Nation asked then RNC chair, Haley Barbour about whether the repubs were also taking Chinese funds and after Barbour admitted it, the hearing went poof!

[disillusioned73]

30. I can say that I wasn't paying attention back then.. thanks for enlightening though.

Taking the "Citizens United" ruling into consideration, isn't this an apples & oranges comparison?

[NewJeffCT]

35. It's not an exact comparison, no

but, the accusation against Gore/Clinton was that they were taking dirty money from the Chinese and it influenced White House policy.

This is taking foreign money and using it to influence the outcome of elections.

[AlbertCat]

91. Taking the "Citizens United" ruling into consideration

I hope everyone is!

This could be instrumental in gutting it for future elections.... as well as helping THIS election.


(Personally, I think it shows Roberts acted on PERSONAL convictions, something he said during his confirmation hearing he would absolutely NOT do. I mean, it had little to nothing to do with the case. Impeach the bastard! He lied during his hearing! WHEN oh when is someone gonna challenge this absurd Corporations = persons crap? It's obviously a friggin' typo!)

[gatorboy]

58. The Republicans spent $7.4 million on that investigation.

The most expensive Congressional investigation ever. And they talk about being so thrifty... :P

[msanthrope]

65. Google "chicoms" and "clinton" and "free republic." Then go take a shower. n/t

[Me.]

8. Even Mika Said

Why can't they o[en their books before Joe went ballistic

[Beetwasher]

10. Oh, That's Awesome!

They have no defense for this! :rofl:

[NewJeffCT]

11. Meanwhile, in the CoC's accounting office

they're busy "modifying" the books to make them look completely innocent... $1 million from Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia is now $1 million from Paul Adelmann of San Antonion, TX, and by the time they find out that Paul is really Prince Abdullah, it will be December.

[mrcheerful]

20. Ah but here is the genius part of the D's attack, it doesn't matter if the CoC cooks the books

by accepting foreign money they freed up money, so instead of using the funds for say office equipment of their own the CoC uses those funds to pay for attack ads because the CoC can make it up with foreign money. So it really doesn't matter if the CoC spends money from foreign countries directly or not because the foreign money allows them to free money up for attack ads which means the same thing foreign money is being used to buy elections.

Without the foreign money the CoC couldn't run those attack ads, so they can't defend it by saying well we aren't using foreign money because reality is they are either spend their money then use foreign money to spend on things their money would have went on instead of attack ads or the foreign money is being used to buy ads, either way it is foreign money that allows them to run attack ads. Now the foreign money is expecting something from the CoC, it would be interesting to know what the CoC promised these countries in exchange for their money.

[dmr]

37. Couldn't that be called Money Laundering?

If I had ill-gotten money, I could use that to pay for my rent, utilities, groceries, etc., while my legal-money is banked, saved and collecting interest; or used towards the toys I could not ordinarily purchase.

That's essentially what they're doing.

What's the old saying the Right likes to use? If you have nothing to hide ...

[mediaman007]

80. One hell of a sentence:

Without the foreign money the CoC couldn't run those attack ads, so they can't defend it by saying well we aren't using foreign money because reality is they are either spend their money then use foreign money to spend on things their money would have went on instead of attack ads or the foreign money is being used to buy ads, either way it is foreign money that allows them to run attack ads.

[monmouth]

25. And Joe said "you have me flummoxed." Egads! Such delight....n/t

[Cognitive_Resonance]

15. The Republicans know this issue has traction! Keep slamming it home. nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

16. Brilliant, and I hope they keep pushing that line. It's so "Un-American", afterall.

A taste of their own medicine, and it's about damn time. :applause:

[Enrique]

17. the best part is Karl Rove saying 'shame on you'

:rofl:

[NewJeffCT]

21. He really said that?

Project much, Karl?

[Phx_Dem]

92. Yeah, and also, "How dare you!!" ROLF.

How dare us? Really?!! ROLF! Fuck off Karl.

:rofl: :patriot:

[Blue Owl]

18. Ram it down their fucking throats

No mercy for those pieces of shit.

[Cobalt-60]

106. Well Said!

And Agreed!

[The Backlash Cometh]

19. Chamber of Commerce, you goin downnnnnnn

[otohara]

29. US Chamber of Outsourcing

Tom Donohue/2004: By taking advantage of greater access in new markets, U.S. companies, particularly manufacturers, have been able to strengthen their bottom lines; reduce consumer prices, focus on more profitable operations, and create new and better jobs here at home.

The Chamber issued two landmark reports on the topics of outsourcing and U.S. competitiveness. Our 2004 report titled "Jobs, Trade, Sourcing, and the Future of the American Workforce," found little hard data to support fears about outsourcing and claims of an impending exodus of U.S. jobs overseas. Our 2006 follow-up report, "Global Engagement: How Americans Can Win and Prosper in the Worldwide Economy", found that overwhelmingly, Americans benefit from the nation's openness to trade; foreign investment, immigrants, and international visitors.

The 2004 report also found U.S. exports directly supported one in every five manufacturing jobs here at home. The U.S. manufacturing sector has been sourcing around the world for over 30 years, during which time our manufacturing output has more than doubled. Some manufacturing workers have lost jobs due to technological advances as well as changes driven by outsourcing and the just-in-time production process. We have supported strong retraining programs to help these workers and will continue to do so.

[fasttense]

82. All pure BS.

Tom Donohue doesn't tell you that manufacturing jobs have been reclassified to include making hamburgers at fast food restaurants. Many of the poorly paid over worked McJobs, that only high school kids use to do, are now considered manufacturing jobs.

And exactly where are these new and better jobs here at home? Why do we have a 22% unemployment rate? (if calculated using 1980's statistical methods.)

And we all know that all those employees at outsourced factories are so well paid and so well treated. In fact they are so well treated that mass suicides are occurring at these outsourced locations.

[COLGATE4]

23. Hey Rove - Here's OUR October surprise! Go suck on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jillan]

50. That made me smile!!

[Aramchek]

24. my favorite part is how the foreign cash in the ad has Chairman Mao on it

Classic!

I bet Rove urinated on himself just a bit when he saw that.

I am willing to bet, based on their response to this, that there is definitely foreign money involved.
And it can most likely be proven, if it hasn't already been.
They are caught with their pants down.

[WheelWalker]

52. I couldn't agree with you more, comrade.

[fasttense]

78. That's funny because it's true.

Think about it.

The Dancing Supremes through their Citizen United ruling have in effect opened up every American's home to every and any foreign entity to tell Americans absolutely anything they want day after, day after, day after, day......

And Americans respond so well to advertising.

I think we have just sold Communist China that rope.

[flamingdem]

26. The GOP = Made in China nt

[felix_numinous]

27. Repubs have no defense against these charges.

But they are dangerous when cornered. Hope this is all for real this time.

[rbilancia]

28. It's totally fucking awesome. Let the fucking RePUKES actually explain their secret slush funds.

[Pirate Smile]

31. Check out this AWESOME ad by MoveOn using this issue to bash Mark Kirk first but this will spread to

all of them. Very Effective.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x472875

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x513838

[NewJeffCT]

33. Great ad

thanks for the link

[jillan]

51. Excellent!

[BlueIdaho]

32. Bang the Drum Loudly

This is an issue we should all be able to agree on. Allowing foreign business/government money to control our elections is beyond wrong. Every ordinary citizen should be able to understand that. To hell with the filthy rich and their international corporations!

[David Zephyr]

34. I totally agree.

K&R.

[cojoel]

38. strikes a chord with the tea-baggers

Many of the actual teabaggers (not the leaders) are very nationalistic.

[Beetwasher]

47. I Would Hope At Least It Might Dampen Some Of Their Enthusiasm

That is, if any of this can break through the miasma that is Fox news and find some way into their thick skulls.

[Skittles]

66. actually, they are Xenophobic

[Canuckistanian]

39. C'mon, Rove! Complain some more!

Hahahhaha, I love this.

[golfguru]

40. Anyone remember Charlie Tree & John Huang?

[eridani]

41. Finally some intestinal fortitude!!

Keep it up, ferchrissakes!

[kentuck]

42. Not only has the Chamber of Commerce outsourced our jobs...

now they want to outsource our government. Damn!

[wisteria]

43. As long as they just continue to protest it and just claim we are lying it make them look like liars

and it make them look like they are trying to cover this up. Where is THEIR PROOF that this is not true.

[The Wizard]

44. Halliburton used to be the Republican

money laundry. Now it's the Chamber of Commerce.

[ClarkUSA]

45. This is Team Obama's October Surprise.

David Axelrod's genius in ad making and messaging is unofficially on display. He smacked down Scheiffer hard on FTN, too.

Team Obama are not really nice guys when the gloves come off. :evilgrin:

[butterfly77]

46. Kick,kick,kick &recommended!

:dem:

[cliffordu]

49. PAYBACK FOR ACORN YOU

MUTHAFUCKAHS!!!!!

(to the CC, not anyone here......)

[sadbear]

53. All they have to do is open their books.

Why won't they open their books?

[Stuart G]

54. I hope more than anything that their blood runs deep and long.

These people will do anything to win. Polarize the country, destroy lives, kill.

[tex-wyo-dem]

55. The perfect thing about this issue is that it plays to pretty much everyone...

Across the political spectrum, from liberals to the teabaggeratti. I'm sure many teabaggers will dismiss this as left-wing propoganda and political gamesmanship, but there has to be a fair percentage that have to be asking themselves if this is true. On balance, this hurts the GOP in a big way and puts them squarely on the defensive.

[Beetwasher]

84. If it can dampen their motivation it could be enough

they'll never vote dem but now maybe they'll just stay home, at least some of them.

[tavalon]

56. Let's enjoy this temporary spine

I'm sure it will be gone by after the midterms but I believe our Dems got the message that they needed to turn their anger to the Repugs instead of the Progressives to get the votes.

[Hekate]

59. I loves me some October Surprise. Boo!

:evilgrin: :rofl: :spray: :evilgrin: :rofl: :spray: :evilgrin: :rofl: :spray:
:evilgrin: :rofl: :spray: :evilgrin: :rofl: :spray: :evilgrin: :rofl: :spray:
:evilgrin: :rofl: :spray: :evilgrin: :rofl: :spray: :evilgrin: :rofl: :spray:
:evilgrin: :rofl: :spray: :evilgrin: :rofl: :spray: :evilgrin: :rofl: :spray:

[Chulanowa]

60. Did someone light that fucking dry-ass powder?

Where's the kaboom?

[Safetykitten]

61. I don't think it is going to mak a difference now, But why, OH WHY?!!!

CAN'T THEY DO THIS ALL DAY?

I was a 100% sucessfull strike dead center right in the fucking republican camp! They are freaked about it. It was a pefect hit and it was perfection in it's message.

[Hekate]

72. 'Scuse me? They are doing it at exactly the right time. Why do you think it's called a "surprise?"

Specifically "An October Surprise"? You know -- just a few weeks before the election?

Chill.

Hekate

[Safetykitten]

93. I am sure the frontal attack style on many issues could of been used in the past six months on...

other issues.

Chill yourself.

[Blacksheep214]

62. So they want their country back?

Then the teatards should vote DEMOCRATIC!

Anything else is unpatriotic, don'tcha think?

[Politics_Guy25]

63. Yep-this is a killer issue for us

Hopefully we can use it to turn the tide.

[Skittles]

64. I AM LOVING IT

yes INDEED

[Kablooie]

67. And they know they CAN'T open their books because it would reveal the claim is true!

[Democat]

69. If they have nothing to hide, why won't they open their books?

Because it's true?

[indimuse]

70. !!

[simmonsj811]

71. K&R

:kick: :fistbump:

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[LawnKorn]

75. K&R

[girl gone mad]

77. See what you get when you turn your guns away from the "professional left"..

and fire at the actual enemy? Let's hope it's the start of a new trend.

[liberal N proud]

79. They were not expecting the Democrats to attack at all

[Enthusiast]

81. Okay, K&R.

Now, while we hit them with this find another issue to blindside them with. Because they appear to have unlimited money just as we thought they would after Citizens United.

[Odin2005]

85. BWAAAAAHAHAHA!

:rofl:

[Deep13]

86. Oh no! Here, Republicans, use this!

[jsgindc]

87. DFM

DFM

DIRTY
FOREIGN
MONEY

GOP = DFM

[Mr. Mustard]

88. I like what I see. Good job Dems!

[valerief]

89. So how are people being made aware of the foreign money issue? Is it on the M$M?

I don't watch/read M$M but always assume they're cheerleading for the right.

I thought only progressives would know about the issue.

[Deep13]

96. Obama and Biden have been ranting about it and THAT is on M$M nt

[valerief]

100. It's getting NEWS coverage? Fox coverage? That's good, but I didn't expect it! nt

[Phx_Dem]

90. See how easy it is to be tough, Dems? And it works too.

:D

[h9socialist]

94. The Best Outcome would be . . .

. . . for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce to be prosecuted, and put into receivership.

I know, I know, it's wishful thinking! But it would be a glorious outcome.

[Deep13]

97. It would indeed.

The Chamber has to be protected from the criminals who manage it. :evilgrin:

[h9socialist]

101. No. It's just a Chamber of Criminals.

[Deep13]

103. I know, I just think it would be a useful and cynical cover story.

Kind of like how dictators oppress people for their own good.

[Deep13]

98. "DRAWN BLOOD" I think I know what's bleeding.

Their superior whereithurtz artery has been damaged.

[Blacksheep214]

99. I have a loophole!

HOW do we know that terrorist organizations aren't funding this election, pushing cash through all these front groups?

I do believe that the Dept. of Homeland Security should look into this possible breach of American security in an attempt to topple our entire government.

Keep in mind the damage a single hold vote has. It has screwed aid for Haiti, unemployment benefits, etc.