Obama-Bloomberg 2012? I am not convinced ...yet.

[Perky]

If you subscribe to the idea that the GOP will swing Hard right with its nominee and then try and tone it down with a competent moderate, Then I will concede that Joe Biden adds little to the ticket particularity in the stated bordering the Great lakes.

If you subscribe to the idea that the enthusiasm gap will continue and that it is not in the President make-up to be the partisan fighter we want him to be, and that the President will not seem nearly "the fresh face" he was in 2008, then we are going to have to take a serious look at attracting swing and largely less-partisan voters.

We kicked butt in 2008 not because of Joe Biden, or because the country suddenly rediscovered its progressive moorings. We won because of the enthusiasm for something new in Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina and Florida (all of which have vote for Republican because they are historically better at conveying themselves as competent) It was precisely because Obama comes across as middle of the road and competent that he won among white moderates and because of huge African-American turnout and not because of a progressive surge

Biden is not going to run for President in 2016 and neither is Hillary. But does anyone really think that Bloomberg is not going to run? Again I have nothing against Biden, He has done a fine job. But the VP nod is not about "attaboys" its about electoroal math. I just not convonced he is going to buy us much as a number two either in the Presidential election or down ballot. Obama Biden is not going be of any significant value in seats held for just two years by the GOP

Competent, non-partisan and rich.


I get that this is not something that progressives on this board want to contemplate but Obama-Bloomberg in 2012 is electorally a lot more interesting an academic excerise than Obama-Biden.


Bloomberg-??? as the Democratic Ticket in 2016 is a lot more appealing than the alternative of hizzoner making a self-funded indy run.


The question I have is would the progressive base be spitting mad if Biden was dropped Bloomberg. Is suspect initially.....yes. But I suspect they would get over it pretty quick.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/43450.html

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[n2doc]

1. No, and Hell no!

Obama does not need a member of the ruling class as his VP. This would send the worst possible message about being partial towards the banksters and other NY investment class types.

[Myrina]

3. Agreed, wholeheartedly.

The last thing this Admin needs is another 'stamp of elitism'/out-of-touch-with-real-Americans poster child.

[bigdarryl]

2. Where the hell did this come from

[Ikonoklast]

32. Politico testing the waters, see what floats.

More speculative crap from Politico, the right-wing's answer to 'blogging'.

Put out as much disinformation as possible, and call opinion factual reporting.

[Jennicut]

4. No. I would lose respect for Obama really fast. And this endless speculation on who will be his VP

is stupid and pointless. Presidents don't exchange VPS unless the VP is so scandal tainted that they have to (think Spiro Agnew). Biden is doing a fine job and I like him a lot. He has more passion then most Dems do. And he is a trusted and needed advisor to President Obama. A lot of VPs and Presidents have wary relationships. I think Biden and Obama have a pretty good one, why risk adding someone as VP who might undermine you or you mistrust?

[GodlessBiker]

5. No fucking way.

[secondwind]

6. Obama/Clinton sounds rings better to my ears than that ticket.

[jaxx]

7. Why do people want to dump Joe Biden?

He's done a good job, he's out there pulling for the things we need.

Bloomberg? No way.

[WI_DEM]

8. Why would anybody want to dump Joe Biden!? Obama won't! it will be Obama/Biden

[rocktivity]

9. The latest idle chatter from politics' answer to TMZ.

Has there EVER been a switching of vice presidents in midstream? These rumors are almost as stupid as the ones about a candidate taking a VP from the opposite party.

:boring:
rocktivity

[Perky]

10. Yes.FDR had four different VPs

Lincoln had two.

[WI_DEM]

24. Actually 3, but whose counting. He had Jack Garner for his first two terms.

[Enrique]

11. only if they announce it at the Ground Zero Mosque

the reaction from the crazies would make it worth it.

[Perky]

14. LOL

[vaberella]

12. Why are so many people throwing Biden under the bus?! He's a great Veep. n/t

[Perky]

13. OP did not throw Biden under the Bus

Just saying that ins swings states that will be in play in 2012 the electoral math might be better if Bloomber was on the ticket rather than were he poised to be an independent spoiler.

[vaberella]

21. I'm aware. I'm talking about the writers.

There's several of them. Several posters have been posting articles by clowns proposing that.

[ProSense]

22. Wait,

"Just saying that ins swings states that will be in play in 2012 the electoral math might be better if Bloomber was on the ticket "

Is Bloomberg a Democrat?

Why are you advocating replacing Biden with Bloomberg?

[Perky]

29. It was a typo filled hypothetical.

Just saying that in the re-election bid. that while Biden is not a drag on the ticket, neither is he going to be pivotal in any state where ase keeping Bloomberg from buying his way into the a three way general election it needs to be taken a look at.

[CakeGrrl]

15. What is this stupid obsession with the VP slot?

When he picked Biden, there was all this wishful thinking that it would ruin him because he wouldn't win the states that Hillary took in the primaries. :crazy:

If voters are too dense to get over their enthusiasm gap excuse and see who the real enemies are, then they'll deserve what they bring upon themselves.

[Perky]

16. I think Biden was a way of setting people at ease, but I don't think there was electoral value

It simply gave credence to the ticket

[DCBob]

19. Yes, Back in 2008 Obama was seen as a neophyte.. especially as it related to foreign policy..

Biden gave him instant FP creds. I think Joe is out as VP for 2012. Voters will be looking for something new and exciting from Obama and a new "big name" VP will provide that.

[old mark]

17. Bloomberg is a real asshole, and I certainly hope he is nowhere near any

presidential ticket ever.


mark

[Perky]

18. Better our asshole than his own asshole...LOL

Actually truth be told I have a concern that he could not play second fiddle to anyone. Which is why I thought he would be a lousy Chief of Staff. Same rule applies to VP although it is different.

[old mark]

20. His ego is huge and out of control, even for a pol. He is a terrible person to be in

command, and I hate even having him in a neighboring state.


mark

[ProSense]

23. More media drivel.

Ugh!

[Arkana]

25. No. Bloomberg's socially liberal, but he's still an asshole conservative

on way too many things.

[onenote]

26. not going to happen

The Vice Presidential nominee will be a Democrat, not a repub turned independent.

[Pathwalker]

27. I cannot and will not vote for that ticket. I have never voted for a Republican,

and I never will.

[MissDeeds]

28. Ditto, friend

No way in hell.

[saltpoint]

30. If it was my call alone, I'd keep the current Democratic

ticket, as it is one of the best of my lifetime.

I don't think the GOP candidates are truly ready for the savagery of their own primary, much less for the defeat the eventual winner will suffer at the hands of the committee to re-elect Obama and Biden.

For me Bloomberg would definitely not be more interesting than Joe Biden.

If Bloomberg gets in deep to the 2012 or 2016 presidential campaign, I think it will be as an independent power broker, a big-wallet former Eagle Scout who buys his way into a legitimate third party.

I don't see him returning to either the Democratic Party or the GOP.

He has lots of money and can spend it doing more independent things, which buys him the right to decide who will wield power and frees him from any constraints the two major parties would impose on his will.

[jillan]

31. What is going on here? We already have the VP that Obama wants.

:crazy:

[stevenleser]

33. Anyone who knows anything about Bloomberg knows he is not interested unless he is in charge

There is no way he accepts a Vice President or Lieutenant Governor or Deputy Mayor kind of position. That is not him at all.