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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 02:45 PM
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Yes, Republicans DO want to end Social Security
The Social Security Administration's chief actuary analyzed Republican proposals to overhaul Social Security, and found that they would "substantially reduce expected benefits for people now entering the workforce."

The analysis focused on proposals from Rep. Paul Ryan (R., Wis.) to overhaul the retirement-insurance program. Ryan has proposed raising the retirement age by linking it to life expectancy, and slowing the growth in Social Security benefit pay-outs by changing the way they are indexed.

A worker born in 1985 whose earnings averaged $43,000 would receive 17% less at retirement than promised under current law, as a result of Ryan's proposal to change the inflation index. His proposed increase in the retirement age would reduce benefits by another 8%, according to the actuary's analysis.

The combined effect of the proposals would be to reduce benefits by 24% for someone at the $43,000 income level, according to a separate study released Wednesday by the left-leaning Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

The GOP proposals the actuary analyzed, at the request of Ways and Means Social Security Chairman Earl Pomeroy, were

raising the retirement age from 67, as scheduled under current law, to a higher level-this reduces benefits for all regardless of when they retire;
flattening benefit levels and reducing replacement rates by tying initial benefit levels to price levels rather than wage levels (sometimes referred to as "partial price indexing" or "progressive price indexing");
adopting an alternative measure of inflation as the basis for the annual cost-of-living adjustment (COLA).
The Center on Budget and Policy Priority's study looks at these specific proposals as well.

Rep. Ryan’s indexing proposal imposes the greatest reductions on those with the highest earnings, and it exempts those with the very lowest earnings, so it is sometimes called “progressive” price indexing. Nonetheless, it would affect fully 70 percent of all Social Security beneficiaries — everyone with earnings above $22,000 in today’s terms. Over time, price indexing would turn Social Security into a program that provides only a small retirement benefit — and one that is largely unrelated to prior earnings.

The second benefit reduction is an increase in Social Security’s full retirement age. The full retirement age was 65, is now 66, and will reach 67 for people born in 1960 and later. Rep. Ryan’s plan would accelerate the increase to 67 and would index the full retirement age to life expectancy thereafter. As a result, the full retirement age would reach 68 for people born around 1983 and higher ages for later cohorts. As shown in Table 1, an increase in the full retirement age amounts to an across-the-board cut in benefits. A one-year increase in the full retirement age is equivalent to a roughly 7 percent cut in benefits for a person retiring at any given age, whether a person retires at age 62 or works to age 70 and does not begin drawing benefits until then....

In addition to cutting benefits, Rep. Ryan’s plan would increase payroll taxes by ending the tax exclusion for employer-sponsored health insurance. By themselves, these benefit cuts and the payroll tax increase would be more than sufficient to bring Social Security into financial balance for the next 75 years. However, Rep. Ryan’s plan uses up much of these savings by diverting payroll taxes into private accounts that would impair Social Security’s financial soundness and require transfers from the general fund to assure the program’s solvency.

And this is what it looks like over time:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/10/21/912142/-Yes,-Republicans-DO-want-to-end-Social-Security
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Crazy Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 02:58 PM
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1. I just don't see them ending the mandatory cash cow for themselves
We're forced by law to pay into it so that they can loot it for wars and their own pensions and I don't see them ever stop taking our money. What I do see is contribution amounts will be increased, benefits will be reduced and from I've heard numerous times, within 15 - 20 years the full retirement age will be 72.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 02:59 PM
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2. Unfortunately, I believe the DLC holds the same views for Social Security and Medicare.
Guess we'll see where the New Dems stand on the issue when the recommendations from Obama's Deficit Commission are made public after the election.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 03:02 PM
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3. MSM trying to get anyone born after 1960 angry at Boomers
and pave the way for new rules that screw us all, while the post Boomers think "well at least I'll get some from those lazy Boomers"... heard this myself from a 1964 born.
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 03:43 PM
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6. I've heard anger at not being able to inherit SS benefits when
parents die. Someone in their early 40s said this to me recently - SS should be completely privatized so that when a parent dies, the children can inherit the money that is left in the account.

Of course there was no answer when I asked what would happen if the parents outlived what they had saved.

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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 03:29 PM
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4. They want to use the money in the Trust fund to cover cuts they
want to make, ie., taxcuts for the rich. Wall Street
has been after the Social Security Money for eons.
Now they are desperate. The Boomers are retiring and
will be withdrawing from the Market. They need more
gambling funds. Put the younger ones into a Privatized
Fund.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 03:31 PM
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5. Dem's need to come out and say if you end SS we are ending 401k's.
They would end the debate right there.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 05:21 PM
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7. They Don't Want To End It. They Want To Privitize It.
Wall Street wants SS money because as the Boomers retire, they will draw money out of stocks and put it into annuities and other income generating investments to pay for their retirement. Old people won't care about growth. They care about income.

That's going to open up a huge hole in the markets which they hope to fill it with SS funds.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 05:57 PM
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8. They just don't want to pay out. They will continue to collect, don't worry about that.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 06:14 PM
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9. recommended.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-10 01:30 PM
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10. their buddies on Wall Street on counting on the Tan Man delivering on this promise
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countrydad58 Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-10 10:42 PM
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11. BUT But
Obama thinks Paul Ryan is some one who has great ideas, & he can work with. Makes me vomit!
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