Rove lies on Face the Nation

[ProSense]

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"Four unions alone will have, according to their own announcements, spent $220 million in money on elections this year," Rove said.

"We know who they are," Schieffer said, pointing out that labor unions must disclose where their funding comes from.

"No, you don't, Bob," Rove replied, and claimed that the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) was not being forthcoming.

The Wall Street Journal reported Friday that AFSCME may spend a total of $87.5 million on the elections - including TV ads, phone calls, mailings and help with Democrats' get-out-the-vote efforts.

AFSCME was then accused by the right that, like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, it was not willing to disclose the source of donations.

(AFSCME spokesman Chris Policano told the Huffington Post, "(T)here's no mystery about who we are or where the money comes from. Unlike the Chamber of Commerce, we play by clear rules of transparency - we report our spending to the Department of Labor, and every month we provide the FEC a list of our members who contribute more than $200 for political activities." And as Time magazine points out, it is no secret whose money is going into the union's coffers to support these activities: the dues of its members.)

Schieffer pointed out that Republicans were getting twice as much money from outside groups as Democrats.

"I would like to have a different system, but we have the system we have," Rove said. "And if liberals do it and nobody complains about it, it strikes me as somewhat hypocritical when conservatives adopt their strategies and follow their models and conservatives get criticized by the President of the United States by name."

Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), Chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, said that Rove wasn't interested at all in making campaign donations more transparent.

"Karl Rove just told you he did not want the voters to know who was spending these tens of millions of dollars essentially to buy a Congress that does the bidding of special interests around the country," Van Hollen told Schieffer.

He pointed out that the Democrats had sponsored a bill called the Disclose Act that would have required corporations to more fully disclose political donations.

"Every Republican but one voted against it," Van Hollen said.

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This isn't a he said, he said case.

The Chamber of Commerce and Rove's group are spending money from undisclosed sources, and the Chamber is outspending every outside group to date.

This NYT chart is based on actual spending.

Center for Responsive Politics: Chamber spent "$28.2million" more than any other independent group

[AtomicKitten]

1. 59 Democrats voted for disclosure, 38 GOP against (2 did not vote).

In the Senate, the final vote was 59 to 39, short of the 60 votes required.*
All Democrats voted to support the bill; two Republicans did not vote.

link: http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/24/nation/la-na-disclose-act-20100924

* Don't the Republicans need 41 to filibuster? :shrug:

[denimgirly]

37. To think Ted Kennedy's seat that went (R) was the Decider...Ouch!!

[AtomicKitten]

38. So, do you have an answer to my question or just more random stuff thrown out there?

I repeat: Who was the Republican vote for disclosure?
edited for Bonus question: Why were the Republicans able to filibuster with only 38 votes?

The answer is not:
I like pie!
Ted Kennedy's seat went R!
Damn it's hot!
Sarah Palin is a maroon!
Dogs cannot look up!

[mucifer]

2. Glad to hear they let a democrat tell the truth on FTN nt.

[Enthusiast]

24. Refreshing...nt

[Kdillard]

3. If Rove's mouth is open he is lying. I am glad Scheiffer said what he did about the unions and why

is it so hard for the COC to be forthcoming with who is funding them if there is nothing to be concerned about?

[Rhiannon12866]

4. K&R! Say it ain't so...

A Republican lied?! :wow: Kudos to Chris Van Hollen and to Bob Scheiffer for not letting Rove get away with it... this time. :patriot: :(

[cutlassmama]

5. He lied, just on Face the Nation?

[jberryhill]

11. I can't imagine anyone who would want Rove lying on their face

[Jack Rabbit]

6. Oh, really?

Please click here.

[elleng]

8. 'Shocked, shocked!'

:rofl:

[ProSense]

9. Yeah, but it begs the question

why does the media lend Rove and the RW credibility?

[joe black]

34. Why did Obamas DOJ let him walk.

That's the real question I'd like you to answer.

[ProSense]

36. "That's the real question I'd like you to answer."

Why are you asking me to answer a question about the DOJ, especially one you made up based on who knows what (i.e., was Rove indicted)?

Now, back to my question, which wasn't directed to you: Why does the media lend Rove and the RW credibility?

[Phx_Dem]

7. To be fair, he wouldn't be Karl Rove if he wasn't lying. n/t

[rzemanfl]

10. A fair and balanced post. n/t

[COLGATE4]

12. Headline! Rove lies on __________ (fill in the blank with news medium of your choice)

[playstation]

13. From Friday 10/22

Campaign's Big Spender
Public-Employees Union Now Leads All Groups in Independent Election Outlays

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303339504575566481761790288.html?mod=WSJ_article_LatestHeadlines

[ProSense]

15. Whatever that's supposed to mean, did you check the source for the chart? Now,

go to the OP and click on "Center for Responsive Politics: Chamber spent '$28.2million' more than any other independent group"

[bigwillq]

14. I had to turn him off.

I couldn't take more then a minute before I had to turn the channel.

[Historic NY]

16. "I would like to have a different system, but we have the system we have," Rove said...

the same new sytem he conspired with the Koch Bros. the chamber and 2 US supreme court Justices to deliver in the Citizen United Case,

[golfguru]

17. If $$$ won elections, Rockefeller, Perot, Kerry, Whitman, etc

should all have won. Money only goes so far.
The candidate is the thing that sways voters.

[ProSense]

18. Bush raised more money than Kerry and Obama raised more money than McCain

There goes that theory.

[ProSense]

19. Oh, my bad

you were referring to their personal finances.

What the hell does that have to do with the OP?

[golfguru]

20. Because personal wealth is legal to use by any candidate

and therefore the super rich have a built in advantage.
But it does not ALWAYS result in a win no matter how much
money is spent.

Classic example is coming up...Whitman will spend $150 Million of her personal money and will come up empty.
Which will prove once and for all that money is never the sole criterion in winning elections. That is my main point. The candidate matters more....much more.

[ProSense]

21. That has nothing to do with the OP

Also, what the hell does Whitman spending $150 million of her personal money on a gubernatorial race have to do with Kerry?

[golfguru]

22. Kerry is a super rich individual,

that is what is common with Whitman, Perot and others.

[ProSense]

23. What does your opinion of Kerry have to do with the OP?

What?

[golfguru]

26. The common thread is "money"

I don't worry how much money is coming in via
chamber of commerce or from personal wealth into the
campaign. In the end it is the "candidate"
who is important determining factor in winning races.

[ProSense]

35. Hmmm?

"I don't worry how much money is coming in via chamber of commerce or from personal wealth into the campaign."

Kerry mortgaged his house to donate money to his campaign, and unless you can prove Meg Williams' $150 million is coming from someone other than herself, neither have anything to do with the OP.

Also, you may not be concerned about secret donors buying influence or who knows what, but your responses have nothing to do with the OP.

In fact, you seem more concerned with highlighting that some people are rich than you are with the topic of secret donors buying elections.

[ProSense]

25. Media Matters

Rove keeps on spinning to defend the secret donations to his GOP slush funds

[donheld]

27. Please tell me you were not surprised

[Major Hogwash]

28. Hmmm, Rove lying, let me roll this over in my head a few dozen times.

LoL

Rove, lie?

Naw.

Just a little sidestep, y'all.

[Hekate]

29. It's what the little pig does; I would expect no less of him.

Loathsome little porker.

[ibegurpard]

30. How come he's not on trial?

oh, that's right...we need to look forward not back.

[Zoeisright]

31. That asshole lies every time he breathes.

I hate his fucking guts.

[AnnetteJacobs]

32. K&R

:kick:

[Blue Owl]

33. Does a sack of shit stink?

n/t