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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 10:45 AM
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NOW I get it - why Caprio attacked Obama. He doesn't want Obama's endorsement. He's running against
Edited on Mon Oct-25-10 11:08 AM by Pirate Smile
the left.

Caprio's Clinton fixation
The gubernatorial hopeful is running an ‘It’s The Economy, Stupid’ campaign. But will the centrist approach work in a liberal-leaning state?


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Moreover, if Caprio's right-of-center politics put him at risk in a left-of-center state, he's already made it through what should have been his most vulnerable period: the Democratic gubernatorial primary, which features a far more liberal electorate than the general election.
But left-leaning Lieutenant Governor Elizabeth Roberts, who might have posed the biggest primary threat to Caprio, decided to pass on the race. And his remaining Democratic foe, Attorney General Patrick Lynch, never caught fire with progressives.
Lynch, who quit the race before primary day, came from a family of old-line, middle-of-the-road politicians. And his lurch to the left was unconvincing for progressives already eyeing a more appealing, general election alternative: Chafee.

Indeed, Chafee — a former Republican senator who quit the party after his defeat in 2006 and later endorsed Barack Obama for president — has managed to garner the support of several large unions and environmental groups that have almost reflexively backed Democrats for decades.
And while labor's talents in getting voters to the polls are often overstated, there is reason to believe the unions could be a real asset this time out. In September, labor officials knocked on hundreds of doors around the state and were able to knock off several conservative state legislators in the Democratic primaries — Caprio's brother David among them.

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That's a problem for Caprio. While Clinton, doing battle with Ross Perot and George H.W. Bush, was able to challenge Democratic orthodoxy on welfare and the like without fear of losing progressives, Caprio has no such luxury.
In fact, with Chafee firmly entrenched on the left, Caprio has been forced to compete with Republican John Robitaille for right-of-center votes — hence, an attempt to ease Robitaille out of the race that blew up on the campaign a few months back and an embrace of several GOP ideas: most recently, and remarkably, a call for the continuation of the Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy.
Those maneuvers, combined with a still mysterious meeting with Republican National Committee officials in February, have damaged his Democratic bona fides. A recent poll out of Brown University had him clinging to a narrow lead over Chafee among Democrats, 43 to 40 percent.
And Chafee's internal polling gives Caprio just a one-point advantage.

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But insiders say the get-out-the-vote effort will be hamstrung, a bit, by several Democratic candidates' decisions to contribute less than requested to the party's coordinated campaign effort.
There are some turf issues involved: the Cicilline camp, for instance, does not want to fold the extensive field operation it built during a competitive primary into the party-wide, general election effort. But there is also a disconnect between the universe of voters targeted by the gubernatorial standard bearer at the top of the ticket and the candidates listed below.

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Downballot Democrats like Cicilline, Roberts, and treasurer candidate Gina Raimondo need to plumb Chafee strongholds like his native Warwick and the tony East Side of Providence. And they must rally the progressives and union voters who made such a strong showing in the primary.
If they succeed — if they get voters who might lean toward Chafee in the governor's race to the polls — they could actually damage the prospects of their own gubernatorial nominee. And the greater the pressure on his left flank, the more important it becomes for Caprio to reach into Robitaille's voter pool.


http://providence.thephoenix.com/news/110308-caprios-clinton-fixation/
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 10:47 AM
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1. He's a thug. He would never dare to speak this way to a white president
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:21 AM
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19. If He Disrespected Pres. Obama Because He's An African American He Should Not Only Lose His Race.
Edited on Mon Oct-25-10 11:23 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
He should be drummed out of the party. However, before we cast him out we should have some proof.

Has he said racist things in the past?

Is there a pattern of racial bigotry?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:28 AM
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23. But who has said "shove it" about a President?
That is rather lowlife language to use in public.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:38 AM
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24. But It Doesn't Make Him A Racist
If I say Michael Steele is a clown, a buffoon, a carney barker does that make me a racist?

Again, if he disrespected Obama because of his race he should be drummed out of the party but let's have some proof before we pillory the fella.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 12:14 PM
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26. I guess we'd need to compare how he treats white Presidents
If he disagrees with them on something.

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Valienteman Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 12:07 PM
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25. I know white people who have said "shove it" to other white people
Doesn't make them racist necessarily.

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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 12:45 PM
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30. Hello.
Welcome to DU! :hi:
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 10:52 AM
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2. self-delete
Edited on Mon Oct-25-10 11:08 AM by polichick
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 10:53 AM
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3. Is He To The Left Of His Republican Challenger?
Edited on Mon Oct-25-10 11:29 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
I want to know the new rules here and this is why. A lot of good DUERS were crucified because they were pondering the idea of casting a strategic vote for Charlie Crist to stop El Diablo (Marco Rubio) when it looked like Charlie Crist had a real chance to win and Kendrick Meek was hopelessly mired in third place. I decided to vote for Meek because I concluded that while he was still hopelessly mired in third place, Crist couldn't stop Rubio, and he no longer existed as a strategic option to stop Rubio.

So is the new rule that we can play footsie with indys that are to the left of Democrats because there are always indys to the left of Democrats in almost every single race.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:22 AM
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20. The rule among some is IOKIODI.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:24 AM
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21. Please Elaborate
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 10:54 AM
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4. Personally I think Chaffee would be a very good choice
even tho once republican he did support the Democrats. And he had the reserve to leave the republican party some time ago. He saw where it was going and wanted no part of it. I think the people perfer Chaffee also. They know what kind of person he is and he fought for them, regardless of his former republican party, better know as the Corporation Party.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 10:56 AM
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Polls disagree. It shows a very tied race between Caprio and Chafee with some polls
showing Caprio ahead and some polls showing Chafee ahead.

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trud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 12:44 PM
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29. how often
How often do you see an Independent with no party resources running neck and neck with candidates carrying a party label?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 10:56 AM
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7. delete
Edited on Mon Oct-25-10 10:57 AM by Mass

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 10:55 AM
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5. Really? Because Obama supports many Democrats to the right of Caprio, starting by Blanche Lincoln.
And Caprio said in the media he wanted Obama's endorsement.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 10:56 AM
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6. My Head Is Spinning. See Post Three
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 10:58 AM
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8. Even if I did agree with you on Florida, the situation is not the same.
The race is between Caprio and Chafee. Both have a chance.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:05 AM
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10. Why Is It Not OK For DUERS To Ponder Casting A Strategic Vote
Why is not ok for DUERS to ponder casting a strategic vote for a Republican turned Independent to stop a Republican who is a Tea Party darling but ok for President Obama to tacitly endorse a Republican turned Independent who is running a Democrat.

And please don't say Lincoln Chaffee was more liberal than Crist. It had everything to do with being senator in the most blue state in the nation and being governor in one of the most purple states in the nation.

This is like the old Soviet Union and China sometimes. One day we are supposed to like someone. And the next day they fall out of favor with the party so we are supposed to hate them.

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:07 AM
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13. I disagree with Obama not endorsing Caprio. There is nothing strategic there.
I can understand your point for Crist, but in RI case, it is pointless.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:13 AM
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16. I See Some DUERS Slamming Caprio
I disapprove of his language but these same DUERS should apologize to Crist supporters on this site who were voting for him with the best of intentions in the belief he was preferable to the Tea Bagger which he is and in the belief which he was the only viable option to him which he isn't any more.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:05 AM
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11. I knew I had heard something about Caprio being to the right of the RI Dem Party so when his blast
came out today I was trying to figure out what the deal was with him - was he really upset that Obama wasn't endorsing him or was something else going on.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:10 AM
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15. Caprio is not a lefty, but he is well connected in a race where what matters is JOBS.
Edited on Mon Oct-25-10 11:28 AM by Mass
RI has one of the highest unemployment rate in the country, so I am certain that it is the economy stupid is very much central in this race.

As Obama is still popular in RI, his endorsement would have helped him against Chafee. Not getting the endorsement helps Chafee.

I will not cry if Chafee is elected. He will probably be a decent governor, but it bothers me that Obama did help Chafee this way. This said, Caprio did not help himself with his reaction, which is not exactly what I would expect of a governor.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:07 AM
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12. that is true mostly in red states
where political expediency demands it.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:03 AM
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9. While that strategy may work in WVA--I'm not sure it's a good one in RI
where I doubt an Obama endorsement is the kiss of death--especially since house dems are welcoming it. I'm pretty sure Obama is just paying back Chafee for his support in '08 by staying neutral. I don't agree with it and think Obama should endorse the entire democratic ticket in RI. Why is a "It's the Economy, Stupid" strategy a conservative one?
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:08 AM
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14. If you read the article it shows that he is running as the centrist and Labor and other Dem-leaning
organizations are supporting Chafee.

It definitely shows this whole spat in a different light.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:17 AM
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17. RFK Jr. , The Sierra Group, The Teamsters, And The Ferderation Of Teachers Endorsed Crist
That didn't stop his supporters from being lambasted and accused of being apostates on this site.

That's what bothers me. If the situation in RI required a "nuanced" look so did the situation in Florida.

As a Floridian and a stalwart Democrats that's what bothers me.

Let's all be judged by the same standards.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:19 AM
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18. I'm not in RI and didn't really get into the Florida issue. I was just trying to figure
out what was going on in Rhode Island this morning.

You are right though that Chafee, according to the polling in the article, is splitting the Dem vote almost exactly down the middle with Caprio. This race probably should have been discussed at the same time as the Florida Senate race.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:27 AM
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22. I Voted For Meek Because Crist Was A Lost Cause And Meek Was The Democrat
Unless this Caprio guy is like Gene Taylor I'm voting for him because he's the Democrat in the race and Chaffee isn't.
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trud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 12:35 PM
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27. Caprio is a disaster.
RI politics is among the most corrupt in the nation. You cannot imagine how corrupt the government is in this state.

There are families (I do not use that in the mob sense, although that certainly was true in the past) in RI who have long, corrupt histories in RI politics - the Lynches, the Caprios, the Ciccilinis, for example.

Just recently, Caprio funneled state money to a school for rich kids that his son attends. Caprio Sr. hands off state jobs that are supposed to be open for anyone to apply for to his buddies.

No one has ever questioned the ethics of either Linc Chafee or his father, John Chafee. How many politicians can you say that about? Linc Chafee was the only Republican to vote against the Iraq war. He cast his vote for Obama for President. He was on the hit list of the Club for Growth. He is a thoughtful person who says it like it is.

Caprio twiddled with the idea of running as a Republican. Do you seriously think that when the choice is between Caprio, an ethically challenged right-winger, and Chafee, an honest Independent with Democratic principles, people should support Caprio? If so, go elect some cretin in your own state, don't wish one on us.

That's even leaving aside the Joe Miller-like Caprio behavior. I expect better of the Governor of my state than the temperament of a foulmouthed ten year old.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 12:45 PM
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31. Hello.
Welcome to DU! :hi:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 12:40 PM
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28. Pres Obama declined to endorse anyone.
Lincoln Chafee, running as an indie in this race, is more liberal than Caprio and endorsed Pres Obama in 2008.

Caprio was fishing for an endorsement and came up with a big fat goose-egg and now he's cranky about it. And, yes, I have no trouble mocking him in light of his outburst in a radio interview.
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