Can a primary challenger get Obama's base to switch?

[angee_is_mad]

How will a challenger be able to convince the most loyal democratic base (blacks) to vote for him/her? Hell Velma was on TJMS this morning and said she was going to vote for President Obama in 2012.

How about 1st time voters who never voted before until Obama (not just talking about 18 yr olds)? How able the young person who took a year off of school to live in hotels in random cities to create a grassroot movement. What would be needed to get them to vote against Obama?

Or is the main purpose is to show President Obama how piss we are that he didn't move more to the left fast enough, while knowing in our heart that a primary challenger doesn't stand a chance. But at least we can say we helped to bring President Obama down. Hell it worked with President Carter.

Also what about the down ticket?Who will be sacrifice for our pissoffishness?

[paulk]

1. "he didn't move more to the left fast enough"

um, I think a lot of people don't feel he moved to the left at all.

[angee_is_mad]

4. They have made that quite clear on DU

but my question is how would this mystery primnary challenger get Obama's base to vote him/her? Can he or she get all three (blacks, 1st time voters, young voters) to cross over? Who he/she need all three to defeat President Obama? If one groups sticks with the President what would be the backlash and the ramifications for other dems?
Basically I want to know if all this rhetoric about a primary challenge is more symbolic so that President Obama will lose in the general and then we can say that he lost the support of the democratic party versus just a small, vocal and media connected segment of the democratic party?

[paulk]

7. well, i suppose this mystery challenger could come up with

a bunch of empty slogans that can be interpreted whichever way the target audience wishes to, gives some stirring speeches that don't really say that much but you feel good, and then flood the caucuses with enthusistic first time and young voters...

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[mazzarro]

2. The Dems Are Counting On Liberals Falling In Line No Matter How Pissed We Are

But I am damn tired with dems and Obama taking us for granted and no longer in forgiving mood anymore. Damn them all!

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

30. Ahh, yes. This is familiar.

It's the old "I'm willing to suffer through President Palin/Romney/Huckabee for 4-8 years to prove a point that will ultimately only make Democrats believe that they need to work harder to please independents because they're the only ones they actually can please" statement vote. Brilliant.

You know what? Fuck you and your self-importance. This country has too much at stake to engage in such futile pissing contests, and if your fragile ego can't handle that, perhaps you need to grow up.

[emulatorloo]

3. Gallup Nov 22-28 Obama Job Approval among Blacks 88%

Job Approval among Dems 81%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

[angee_is_mad]

5. you know not post bad news on DU

:sarcasm: President Obama is the worst president EVER!

[emulatorloo]

6. LOL n/t

[FrenchieCat]

8. The main purpose is to teach the Democratic party and Obama a lesson......

and if regular folks get hurt by it, most here advocating for a primary challenge
won't care....because what they say is more important then the plight of anyone
in reality, even if they pretend otherwise.

As for Black folks....as you know, we have endured throughout history,
and actually throughout the world, much worse than a Reagan, or a Bush....
but what most won't do is vote for Obama's forced replacement.....pushed on them
by privileged big talking extreme liberals who are simply mad about everything
and everybody.....

so in essence the folks screaming that Obama should be primaried
really don't give a shit about much of anything....and they are more than willing to sink the entire
ship to make their point.....just in the same way most Black folks will sit their asses at home,
and so not only will the WH become Republican, but so will just about every member of congress in 2012.

If folks got shocked that Feingold lost, they ain't seen even close to nothing yet.

Talk about facism.....that is exactly where we will wind up.....
But until White folks really feel the hurt, in the way that Black folks have had it
for years upon years, they are gonna keep at it...and so I'm now in the camp believing
that's the only thing they will ever understand; total misery with no way out.

talking about folks advocating against their own interest! That's exactly what's happening
on DU.......and folks have the nerve to believe they are so smart! :rofl:

[angee_is_mad]

10. Preach sista, preach!

Can you actually imagine the primary challenger going on TJMS, Ricky Smiley, Steve Harvey, Michael Baisden, Warren Ballentine, Joe Madison, Cliff Kelley and heaven forbid Al Sharpton? Hell the only place he/she would would be brave enough to appear would be crabis smiley and we know what that is all about.

[Grandrose]

14. Thank You...My Dear Sister!

Thank you for this most wonderful post, as usual.:-) :thumbsup:
I hardly recognize DU anymore!:dilemma:

[Number23]

15. What about the folks screaming that the man is a REPUBLICAN?

All the while blithely ignoring that the Republicans are doing everything short of assassination to get this man out of office and defeat every bit of legislation, every nominee, every appointment that he puts forth? Hell these folks are probably trying to figure out what his favorite food at the White House cafeteria is so that they can get rid of that too.

(And I wouldn't be surprised if assassination was on the table with some of them.)

WOULD 88% OF BLACK FOLKS SUPPORT THIS MAN IF HE WAS A DAMN REPUBLICAN?

[ampad]

16. Frenchie you betta preach

Now you know black folks are not suppose to talk like that. LOL

[political_Dem]

19. Exactly. Too bad that it will take that to beat sense into some folks.

It's a pity that people often dismiss the bigger picture. Instead it is easier to primary, shriek at everything done in the WH and parrot RW talking points.

But they will never get that progress never comes easy and sometimes it takes a long time. Black folks truly know about that.

[alcibiades_mystery]

22. That's the best one to me

Feingold loses a Senatorial election in the relatively Blue State of Wisconsin, so the natural response from the so-called progressives is that he should run for President!

It's like the fucking Twilight Zone in here.

[impik]

27. What a brilliant post! Thank you so much

[BumRushDaShow]

29. +1,000,000,000,000,000,000

This place has become Free Republic. It's extraordinary. :crazy:

[Number23]

37. I don't know. The folks at Free Republic don't seem nearly so smug and convinced of their own

intellectual superiority.

They seem to know that they're idiots and are proud of it.

Folks here think that they are God's gift to all knowledge and most couldn't tell their behinds from a hole in the ground.

[CitizenLeft]

31. AMEN, Frenchie.

Yeah. President Sarah Palin. That'll teach him! He'll know NEXT time to... oh... never mind.

[emulatorloo]

45. Thanks for posting that n/t

[Clio the Leo]

11. Not to mention half of the white folks...

... who's views dont jive with the screaming segment of DU.

[angee_is_mad]

12. Now you are making 2 much SENSE

make it stop:banghead:

[Carolina Lady]

13. In the words of

Whitney Houston, HELL TO THE NAW............

[kiva]

17. Anyone who challenges an incumbent has to create a base,

so I don't see why you are concerned about how they would get Obama's base to switch - if a challenger can't effectively build a base, s/he will lose to Obama in the primary...what's the problem? :shrug:

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[kiva]

20. I'm sorry, I have no idea what you just said.

The OP wondered if another dem could get the support of Obama's base in a primary; given that you are an Obama supporter, I assume that you would prefer that he win the primary. So exactly what is the question, and why do you think this is about news channels?

[alcibiades_mystery]

21. If a primary challenger defeats Obama in a primary

Y'all can have him or her. I won't be voting in 2012 if that happens, and probably will just abandon dumb Democratic politics for good.

[ooglymoogly]

25. Doesn't sound like you were ever really there. nt

[BluegrassDem]

26. A white challenger beating Obama in the primary will split the Democratic Party

No way could you have a white guy beating Obama and all the black people voting for him without causing a huge schism in the party that would imperil the Dem nominee. A lot of black people would be angry and would sit out the general election. It would be a disaster from down ballot as well.

[paulk]

33. so you won't vote if Obama isn't the nominee?

LOL!

[alcibiades_mystery]

34. That's correct

Probably EVER again.

I've had it when it comes to associated myself with fools. The so-called progressives undermine Obama, and I'll be done with the whole thing.

[paulk]

36. so you're no different

than those on the left who make the same threat

those you are constantly berating for taking that position

you are a hypocrite

[alcibiades_mystery]

38. Oh, I've come around to their position, for sure

I'm not a hypocrite. They've convinced me.

By the way, I am on the left - or what used to be the actual left.

I see the value in exiting the whole process rather than sticking with self-destructive idiots.

[jonnyblitz]

40. I've read elsewhere that many Obama followers are loyal to

him and not the party. Anybody with half a fucking brain knows what that's the definition of.

[alcibiades_mystery]

41. Any party that eats itself in that manner deserves no loyalty

:-)

My decision would not be an effect of loyalty to Obama, but an effect of absolute disgust with the Party. If the so-called progressives did the same thing to Hillary Clinton (and have no doubt that they would - they essentially did it to Gore already), I'd do the same. In any case, it would represent the second time in just over a decade that the so-called progressive wing of the Party sunk the Party and any chance of decent policy, and that really means that there is no Party. Loyalty to Party over common sense is the real definition of fascism. I'd pull all support of any Party that self-destructs so frequently and so stupidly.

[ampad]

44. Those people are no different

Than those who allow their hate and revenge to fuel their criticism. I find it hard to believe that those people are putting the party first. It works both ways.

[grumgrum]

23. I will DEFINITELY VOTE for any Challenger...dont be Hillary Incorporated. though.

Obama is clearly a corporate democrat but Hillary is plan Incorporated so if the challenger is anyone but Hillary i will vote for him/her...
I will NOT vote for Obama in 2012...I will just stay home if there is no challenger.

[ooglymoogly]

24. What a bonch of unmitigated booolcheeat. nt

[WI_DEM]

28. This is really much ado about nothing since there will be no primary challenge.

[ooglymoogly]

46. My bet is there will. But my prediction is that it will go no where

in this environment of crooked and bought elections...as the pretense of a democracy gets thinner and thinner.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

32. Lemme see

How would somebody claiming the representation of roughly 20% of registered Democrats manage to convince (at least) an additional 31% to drop President Obama in 2012? :shrug:

[polichick]

35. It's not about being pissed off; it's about realizing that the person we elected...

...isn't willing to fight against corporate power and stand up for Democratic principles.

What is needed is a strong, liberal, grassroots movement - either within or outside this party. There's a lot of energy building on the left - it will be interesting to see what form it takes. I wouldn't be surprised if those disillusioned first-time voters aren't a big part of it.

[wowimthere]

39. These kinds of posts are interesting but they don't move the bar interms of how the senate and house

function. He can't make the Republicans do what he thinks is best. They have their own loopy rationales and it wouldn't matter who you got from the democratic party. They will be opposed because Republicans want the power and they will stay opposed.

[yurbud]

42. related question: has a primary challenger won at the presidential level then gone on to win

in the general election?

[PufPuf23]

43. My issue with Obama is his integrity and the integrity of his policies and appointments nt