Isn't it WAY past time to stop thinking the prez is naive or weak??

[polichick]

Isn't it time to just accept that he's smart enough to be doing what he means to do?

After all these months, my eyes, ears and brain tell me that President Obama's idea of success is maintaining the corporate status quo while tweaking things enough to claim "historic" change. Maybe he only appears to be losing to the Republicans because we want something he doesn't. Maybe "bipartisanship" really means both sides serving the same powerful constituents.

Just sayin'...

Unrecc away! :)

[dionysus]

1. you'll posted this spam in tons of threads today.... it needed an OP?

:spray:

just come out and call him a republican mole, you've been insinuating it everywhere.

[polichick]

3. It's a compilation, inspired by frustration - even Big Ed keeps calling the prez weak. nt

[zulchzulu]

8. "...even Big Ed..."

My puppy has more credibility than Big Ed.

[polichick]

9. I appreciate what he does, but want to scream lately. nt

[dave29]

15. some call it scream

others call it spam.

[niceypoo]

33. "others call it spam"

...without refuting a word of it

[dave29]

51. how many times must it be refuted?

Just because an argument is posted 5000 times does not mean it has to be refuted more than 4,999 times

[whathehell]

64. ..and your put down of Ed's credibility is based on exactly what?

[AndrewP]

68. People think he yells too much I guess

The only thing is, there is actually a lot to yell about.

[whathehell]

70. Yes...There is a lot to yell about

and that argument would go to his style than to his substance, i.e. "credibility", making it d.o.a.

[ProSense]

2. Yeah, here's

a perfect example.

[polichick]

5. Yeah, perfect! He opened our waters to more drilling just days before the spill. nt

[ProSense]

12. Is that what the current release is about?

Are you going to ignore the announcement?

[Autumn]

4. Recommended.,

I think he is absolutely not naive or weak. What he is doing is what he wants to do. I don't see him letting anyone (including his advisers) twist his arm either,Just sayin'...

[polichick]

18. I guess it's more acceptable to think of him as naive or weak. nt

[ej510]

61. Bingo!

[lob1]

6. I'm afraid you're right.

[polichick]

19. It's something nobody wants to be right about - but how long are we supposed to keep pretending? nt

[babylonsister]

7. If he's into maintaining the corporate status quo, who did ALL

the major corporations heavily support the gop candidates in the last election? I'm sure you'll tell me.

[polichick]

11. The last time Obama ran, they supported him. nt

[babylonsister]

14. You have no valid answer, do you. Thanks for playing. nt

[polichick]

16. Sorry you can't handle the truth - thanks for dropping by. nt

[Dr.Phool]

21. I thought she gave a valid answer.

It just went over your head. They used him like a dish rag, and bought some new ones.

Thanks for playing.

[great white snark]

47. Bullshit-you can't use what you don't own. (nt)

[PufPuf23]

60. The instabilty in political dominance favors international corporations

economic monarchists, the MIC, organized crime, banking, etc.

[cherokeeprogressive]

10. No it isn't. What it is: way past time to stop debating it.

Yeah. Just sayin'.

[dave29]

13. So, what you mean to say is there is no difference between Barack and a Republican

(just to be more succinct)

[polichick]

17. There are differences - Republicans don't care about tweaking things. nt

[dave29]

50. so do you consider yourself a Democrat or a Green Voter?

Or are you more likely to vote Green next time around?

[polichick]

53. I'm a liberal, currently Dem, who is interested in policies much more...

...than individuals or parties - next time around I'll vote in the Dem primary. Beyond that, I don't know - have to see what kind of movement is underway, either within this party or elsewhere.

[Dr.Phool]

20. Kick and Rec!

To remove any doubt about where he's coming from, Google "Obama speech at Hamilton Project"

That's Robert Rubin's think tank, catering to his Wall Street cronies.

Read him and hear him in his own words. "Let me remove all doubt, I AM A NEW DEMOCRAT".

No wonder Wall Street gave him so much money.

[polichick]

30. Just read THE MENDACITY OF HOPE by Roger Hodge...

...and it was so depressing to read about Obama and Rubin - also about Exelon and Obama's embracing "clean coal" and so many other ways that he rewarded corporate supporters. It's all on the record but nobody wants to believe it of this very charming prez.

[Beetwasher]

22. Yes, HCR=Status Quo, Financial Reform=Status Quo, CFPA=Status Quo, Lilly Leadbetter=Status Quo

No Gulf Oil drilling for 7 years=Status Quo, new credit card rules=Status Quo.

You have an unusual definition of status quo.

[polichick]

24. HRC left the insurance industry and big pharma better off than they were...

...without giving the people a public option.

Financial reform left the "too big to fail" banks still too big to fail and Glass-Steagall still out of bounds.

The CFPA was deballed by putting it inside the Fed.

The prez opened up our waters to more offshore drilling just days before the big spill and put a friend of gas/oil in the Dept. of the Interior, when he also filled the cabinet with bankers, big agriculture and Republican warriors.

And on and on - maintaining the corporate status quo while tweaking things.

[Beetwasher]

25. Bullshit, It's The Farthest Thing From Status Quo, Unless You Redefine Status Quo To Mean "Change"

Despite your obnoxious spin and lies about the legislation passed.

[polichick]

26. LOL- do we have gov't run universal healthcare or a mandate...

...to purchase insurance from private corporations?

Is Glass-Steagall back? Have the big banks been broken up?

Did the gov't set prices with big pharma so citizens no longer get gouged?

No - in all these cases and many more, the corporate status quo was protected.

[Beetwasher]

27. Is The Government NOW For The First Time EVER Involved In Regulating Health Care?

Yes. That's big change and not status quo despite your lame spin.

Is there NOW a Consumer Financial Protection Agency? Yes. Definitely NOT status quo.

And on and on.

So unless we have universal health care it's status quo? Way to move those goal posts and redefine words.

[polichick]

28. Maintaining the corporate status quo means business as usual with...

...a bit of tweaking - structures remain the same.

[Beetwasher]

29. LOL! Oh, So Now Status Quo Means "A Bit Of Tweaking?"

Keep moving those goal posts!! :rofl:

Tell it to the millions of people who can now get health care. Tell it to all the people who can stay on their parents insurance until 26. Tell it to all those people with pre-existing conditions.

That's far from a "bit of tweaking".

But I suppose if you redefine words to mean anything you want, then I could be the Queen of England!

Yes, business as usual with Elizabeth Warren creating the Consumer Financial Protection Agency. You've got nothing to say about that, huh? Figures. Because it blows your bullshit out of the water.

[polichick]

31. Your reading comprehension needs a little work. nt

[Beetwasher]

34. You Need To Address Me As "Yer Majesty!" Since I've Now Redefined "Beetwasher" To Mean

"Queen of England". It's so easy! I like your little game!

[Egnever]

40. HAH!

:applause:

[JTFrog]

59. LOL! +1

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[Starbucks Anarchist]

32. Hey, you forgot to plug that book!

:eyes:

[polichick]

35. Haven't written it yet. :)

[Starbucks Anarchist]

36. You mean your name isn't Roger Hodge?

[polichick]

37. Guess it's not only the teabaggers who thinking reading well-researched books is bad. nt

[Starbucks Anarchist]

38. Nice strawman.

It's actually laughable that you think one book contains all the answers you'll ever need.

DU would point and laugh if someone said they rely on the Bible as having all the answers, but if it's an anti-Obama book, then it's okay.

:rofl:

[polichick]

39. I've read a lot of books about our government lately - keep laughing...

...but it's smarter to become informed.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

41. Congratulations on having a library card.

And "lately"? :rofl:

What, did you not give a damn about what happened until Obama took office? :rofl:

[polichick]

42. Try using a library card - you might have something worthwhile to add. nt

[Starbucks Anarchist]

43. I've had them most of my life and use them frequently.

And the knowledge I've gained from books far exceeds plugging the same one repeatedly on the internet.

[polichick]

44. Do your homework - I've posted about many books...

Sorry you can't handle the message in this thread - many can't.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

45. My apologies for not keeping tabs on you 24/7, internet stranger.

:rofl:

[polichick]

46. Still nothing worthwhile to add - even after reading so many books...

Maybe you could start a thread and share some of what you've learned.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

48. I have posted about many books...

But I don't expect you or anyone else to remember my posting history. :rofl:

Of course, I also don't spend my life on DU and actually do talk about books, you know... face-to-face. ;)

[polichick]

49. Face-to-face at...

Starbucks?!

What an anarchist you are! :)

[Starbucks Anarchist]

52. No, all over the place.

And my screenname is based on a joke with a former co-worker. It's surprising how many people here don't realize the contradictory nature of the name.

[polichick]

54. The name fits you. nt

[Starbucks Anarchist]

55. Likewise.

I thought liberals viewed "chick" as a demeaning term against women, but you're okay with applying it to yourself. When you drop the self-infantilizing term, maybe you can act like an adult.

[polichick]

56. This liberal has no problem with the word "chick" - but nice try. nt

[CakeGrrl]

57. Oh goody - infighting amongst Democratic detractors

He's a smart, diabolical Trojan Republican!

No, he's a weak, needy, psychologically deficient fool!

No, he's gullible and stupid!

No, he's a craven empty-suit car salesman!


Good times, good times.

Ah, the "base".

[polichick]

58. LOL - I'm leaning toward Dem who likes the corporate structure. nt

[woo me with science]

62. Yup.

It's as bad as the Cinderella cartoon a month ago.

Good post.

[Greyhound]

63. Of course you got it exactly right. His "historical accomplishments" consist

of pouring money into bottomless pockets of corporations and putting ever more power into corporate hands. So technically he has brought change to this nation. Now, he will accelerate the same program in the name of bipartisanship after ensuring the "shellacking" the Democrats took in the last election.

Interesting times...
:kick: & R

[whathehell]

65. YES and Hell Yes. n/t

[craigmatic]

66. I think so too. If Obama doesn't think like the repubs he's obviously bought by the same people.

[ibegurpard]

67. pretty much

[jefferson_dem]

69. Well, I agree with your premise - that he is neither naive nor weak... and he is doing what he means

to do.