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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:36 PM
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Matt Taibbi goes Obama scalp hunting
Matt Taibbi goes Obama scalp hunting

The master ranter takes a break from the Goldman warpath to blast away at the president's "big sellout"
By Andrew Leonard


Matt Taibbi's latest screed, "Obama's Big Sellout," will undoubtedly be a big hit on the Web with the swelling legions of critics who believe the president is actively engaged in selling out the working man for Wall Street plutocrats. But baked into the narrative are enough misrepresentations -- all designed to make Obama look as bad as possible -- that it's hard to take it seriously as a useful contribution to the ongoing discussion about how properly to fix the U.S. economy. It's the classic Taibbi approach: vastly and sloppily overstate the case in absurd, over-the-top rhetoric while ignoring any possible counterargument.

Let's start with a minor nit, Taibbi's treatment of Austan Goolsbee, the University of Chicago economist who was one of Obama's chief economic advisors during the campaign. Taibbi describes Goolsbee as a "populist" who was exiled to "Siberia" after the election. Meanwhile, Taibbi also criticizes Obama for retreating from his campaign promises to renegotiate NAFTA. Left out of the story is that Goolsbee achieved notoriety during the campaign precisely because he told Canadian government officials not to fuss about Obama's NAFTA promises -- dismissing them as just rhetoric. That's hardly the stuff of populism. It also might have been fun to ask Goolsbee what he thinks of Taibbi's overall thesis, since he's been one of the toughest and most eloquent defenders of Obama's overall strategy to date.

Next up, a much more serious point. Taibbi writes: "Neil Barofsky, the inspector general charged with overseeing TARP, estimates that the total cost of the Wall Street bailouts could eventually reach $23.7 trillion." Here, Taibbi is doing the likes of Sean Hannity and Lou Dobbs, who both went nuts over this number, completely proud. The fact is, the $23.7 trillion number is ridiculous. Not only did Barofsky himself note that it was overblown, but it also included the total potential cost of government programs that never even got started or have already been canceled. Furthermore it assumes a financial cataclysm that would make the Great Depression look like a kindergarten water fight. Let's outsource to the New York Times' Floyd Norris:


{The number} assumes that every home mortgage backed by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac goes into default, and all the homes turn out to be worthless. It assumes that every bank in America fails, with not a single asset worth even a penny. And it assumes that all of the assets held by money market mutual funds, including Treasury bills, turn out to be worthless.

It would also require the Treasury itself to default on securities purchased by the Federal Reserve system.


A responsible writer might also at least nod to the fact that a hefty percentage of TARP outlays have been or will be repaid to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars, which chisels away at some of the meaning of the word "giveaway," but that's not Taibbi's style.

Taibbi also ridicules a major early address by Obama on the economy, picking on one sentence: "Credit is the lifeblood of the economy," he declared, pledging "the full force of the federal government to ensure that the major banks that Americans depend on have enough confidence and enough money." To Taibbi, this means that Obama was simply going to encourage Americans to start binge borrowing again, and maintain the Bush status quo "of keeping a few megafirms rich at the expense of everyone else.

This passage betrays an amazing failure to recall exactly what was happening to the U.S. economy in the months after the presidential election, and during the first quarter of 2009. The economy was in utter freefall, in large part because everyone, from the biggest banks to the the lowliest consumer, was afraid to borrow or spend. Corporations that depended on short-term loans from banks to fund daily expenses were suddenly getting shut out, forcing a chain reaction of layoffs and liquidity squeezes that threatened to drag the entire economy even further down a disastrous spiral. The great achievement of the Obama presidency in those first few months was to effectively stabilize that situation, unlock the credit crunch, and halt one of the great financial panics of our time. As Obama noted himself last week, using taxpayer money to bail out the banks was incredibly unpopular and "galling." But we'd all be a lot angrier and unhappier now, and unemployment would be a lot higher, if we'd stepped back and allowed Citigroup or Bank of America to fail.

more...

http://www.salon.com/technology/how_the_world_works/index.html?story=/tech/htww/2009/12/11/matt_taibbi_barack_obama
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:41 PM
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1. LOL! This is not going to be popular here
:)

How dare anyone take a critical look at Matt.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:02 PM
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4. yes how dare anyone be critical of he-who-has-no-name nt
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:16 PM
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9. Which one?
Taibbi has smeared many.....

He smeared Howard Dean in September of 2003
in a 6 page semi fictional part OP Ed with a
few facts thrown in when they agreed with his take -

Dean-A-Palooza
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20031006/taibbi

He also smeared Wes Clark in 2003
this time with a 5 pages semi-fictional/part OPed,
again with a few facts thrown in when they agreed
with his take -

Clark's True Colors
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20031215/taibbi

As well as slamming pretty much all Democrats, especially John Kerry
in his book, "Spanking the Donkey"
http://www.amazon.com/Spanking-Donkey-Dispatches-Dumb-Season/dp/1565848918

Taibbi is also a hypocrite:
http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/01/11/why-oh-why-did-you-sell-out-matt-taibbi/





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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:17 PM
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11. Now there you go being all logical reasonable
stop bringing facts into the discussion, that is as popular as this Thread is.;)
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 11:34 PM
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36. Wow, thanks for the links.
I wish I could double rec for the OP and your post.

:kick:
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:15 PM
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8. He's no Kathleen Parker
I'll give you that. :thumbsup:
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:18 PM
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12. Matt has more in common with her than your realize
Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 04:23 PM by NJmaverick
:evilgrin:
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:43 PM
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2. Comparing Tiabbi to Hannity and Dobbs is spot on.
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:56 PM
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20. LOL....except when Matt attacks Bush. They he is 100% correct!
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 05:50 PM
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27. is that so hard to believe?
the nature of a columnist is to simply be negative. positive doesn't sell.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 03:44 PM
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3. who really cares what Matt Crybabi thinks or says?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:19 PM
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13. A lot of DUers looking for everything and anything to throw at President Obama
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 05:42 PM
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25. Boy Howdy
ain't that the truth?
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 07:38 PM
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33. A whole lot of people very, very, obviously upset with him,
Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 07:38 PM by chill_wind
or we wouldn't be seeing all this heat and energy.
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:05 PM
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5. kick and rec. Spot on.
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mcablue Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:08 PM
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6. "there is a lot of meat to Taibbi's larger themes"
Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 04:09 PM by mcablue
Well balanced piece. The author recognizes Taibbi's piece's virtues while pointing out his errors. Recommended.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:13 PM
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7. I agree
much better than the American Prospect's critique, which was awful imo.

But Taibbi could answer this one's charges that Taibbi is not writing a "balanced" article, by saying, so what, that's not what I was trying to do, I was trying to get a particular message, across, strong.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 05:03 PM
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21. Trying to get a message across is still no excuse
for playing fast and loose with facts.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:16 PM
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10. I remember the hit job Tiabbi did on Wes Clark in 2003 when he
Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 04:23 PM by Kahuna
misrepresented Clark's remarks about the, "Military Industrial Complex, and yours truly (me) was at the appearance that Matt misquoted with a CAMCORDER....

Attached is part of the bruhaha that ensued when I forwarded my video of what Clark REALLY said to the nation.

Read Tiabbi's response...

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20040112/exchange
From Tiabbi:
Now for the "fabricated" quotes: One of the reasons I always bring someone along with me on undercover-type assignments is to insure that I do not misquote people in situations where tape recordings are not possible. To that end, I made sure that none of the quotes from the Clark piece were ones made outside the presence of my partner at the meet-ups, Emily Dahmen. And both of us, frankly, are amazed that Yoken now claims, among other things, that he did not tell us the "drool shirt" story. We agree, and my notes confirm, that Yoken not only told that story with great enthusiasm but elaborated in a manner I did not describe in print. As Emily now points out: "The only thing you left out is how talked about Clark's biceps, and how big they were." The other allegations about inaccuracies

Wrongo Matt!!! The video proved that you were a liar and totally fabricated remarks. And now you say, you took a friend to meetups to verify what was not even said by Clark at a meetup.

So, all of you pasting Tiabbi's article as if it is one of the gospels beware. Matt has been known to outright lie.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:20 PM
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15. He was an assassin of convenience not one of credibility
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:22 PM
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16. I busted his butt good. He has zero credibility with me. nt
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:34 PM
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17. I cancelled my print subscription to "The Nation" because of that article
I had been subscribing to that excellent publication for over ten years and I ended it because of that atrocious article. I don't even remember my objection to it, but I remember being really pissed, and I wasn't even a big Clark supporter.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:47 PM
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18. At the time I posted the video clip on DU, so there was no doubt that
Tiabbi had fabricated the whole thing. Probably hearing it with your own ears and seeing it with your eyes had something to do with your outrage. :thumbsup:
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:19 PM
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14. Goolsbee and NAFTA
Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 04:21 PM by DrToast
That story about what he told the Canadians turned out to be bullshit.
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Scarsdale Vibe Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 05:15 PM
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23. Still, describing Goolsbee as a populist is journalistic malpractice.
I don't think Taibbi would consider himself a journalist though, more of a fantasist for the outrage addicts.
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:47 PM
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30. I wasn't correcting Taibbi. I was correcting Leonard. (nt)
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BakedAtAMileHigh Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 04:53 PM
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19. "rant"? "screed"?
Taibbi is a journalist: this author is a propagandist.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 05:05 PM
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22. Says you though you've probably
never even heard of 'this author'. He seems to have worked in some of the same places as Taibbi, and probably for longer, but you rant on. And thanks for the kick! :thumbsup:


Andrew Leonard
Andrew Leonard has been working at Salon as a technology reporter, editor and blogger for quite a bit longer than he ever anticipated being employed by an online magazine -- 12 years. He's enjoyed the luck of becoming obsessed with the Internet just before it broke into mainstream consciousness and the housing bust just before it precipitated a global economic collapse. Prior to becoming a Salon lifer he freelanced for a wide variety of publications, from Newsweek to Rolling Stone to Wired, and wrote a book, .
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 11:31 PM
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35. matt taibbit is a little rager who can't get
his facts right and has rendered himself impotent.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 02:20 PM
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42. Matt? That you? nt
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 05:19 PM
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24. Fuck yeah!
It's about time someone called Taibbi out for his recent anti-Obama bullshit.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 05:44 PM
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26. What's sad is one would have thought the DEMOCRATIC Underground would have done it as well
Instead so many were practically worshiping the man
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:04 PM
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28. Felix Salmon, Barry Ritholz, Ed Harrison...
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 07:23 PM
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32. Facts be damned indeed n/t
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 06:12 PM
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29. This is one of the few Tiabbi threads today that I can rec...
That shit stain and the DUers praying at his feet are pissing me off.

Thanks for the post.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 07:04 PM
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31. What is most offensive about those slobbering over Taibbi at DU is their willful refusal to
Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 07:04 PM by apocalypsehow
acknowledge the numerous factual errors he has committed in his blog-ranting. I mean, a lot of this stuff isn't even close.

Good article, Rec. :thumbsup:
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 11:26 PM
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34. Great read babs! Thanks for posting. (nt)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 11:43 PM
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37. Great that all these reputable writers are speaking
out against matt's less than honest little rages on the President.

If matt needs to rage on then he better turn his priorities around and start working with a set of facts.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-13-09 11:47 PM
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38. Rolling Stone: Not serious journalism
It's a freaking pop music fan magazine!
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zenprole Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 12:36 AM
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39. A typical gripe of the fake
This criticism of Taibbi is timid establishment nonsense.

For those who aren't DLC operatives, here's the lowdown on Matt Taibbi: he's a mix of Howard Zinn and Hunter S. Thompson. He's not an academic <applause>, takes a flamethrower to weak-ass, sellout policy <more applause> and has something to say about it <riotous applause>. Gawd amighty! In a democracy no less!

Shred 80% of Taibbi's latest column and what remains? A Wall Street bull in the White House who's pwned the marks who campaigned and voted for him, in order to continue the policies of his predecessor. G-Sax pollutes this Administration like none before it, all in full view. Shall we quibble about who polished what part of whose anatomy? Does it matter that much?

Remember what Dr. Thompson advised of Nixon and US politics generally: take hallucinogens and go subjective. It's your only hope of understanding the subject and maintaining some integrity. Anything less is drawing room chatter.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 01:12 PM
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40. You are wrong.. just plain wrong.. Taibbi is wrong, and you are wrong..
and in your case, two wrongs do not add up to a right..
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zenprole Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 07:35 PM
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44. nyah nyah
Did so.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 02:22 PM
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43. LOL
If I had a dime for every hack who claimed to be the reincarnation of HST....
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zenprole Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 07:44 PM
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45. Mixmaster Matt
Taibbi never claimed this. I did, and it's true. Take the moral tenor of Zinn, add in HST's flamethrower attitude and filter it through GenX outrage that your political elders are such irretrievable fuck-ups. What you get is a voice that takes the piss out of award-and-tenure-hunting pabulum. For some, that stings a lot.

Taibbi kicks ass. There's no two ways about it. And he's very, very handsome.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 02:00 PM
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41. Summers, Geithner, Rubin, Goldman Sachs.
Don't dismiss any truth that may have been in Taibbi's rants either.
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