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Hawaii Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 02:36 PM
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If Obama is going to cave on taxes, then i hope he can get something in return ie;
1) all his judicial nominees confirmed before the end of the lame duck...

2) Extension of unemployment benefits...

3) Vote on START Treaty..

4) Vote on DADT...

Come on Mr. President, compromise is SUPPOSED to mean the one party (republicans) are supposed to give something up in return...

All 4 of the above items i listed should have already been voted on as it is...

For the first time in history, the party with a 42-58 minority is running the senate..



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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 02:38 PM
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1. I think 2-4 will happen.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 02:40 PM
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2. On #4
A real vote, as in UP or DOWN. PASS or FAIL. None of this cloture crap.

But I could accept that deal otherwise.
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 02:50 PM
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9. This is a total win win win for Repukes!
They get their tax cuts for their buddies. They get to claim they voted to help the unemployed And unemployment pay now becomes "negotiable"! It is a total defeat for the Dems! A total victory for the Repukes.
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howmad1 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 04:46 PM
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15. Wait just a friggin minute:
Tax cuts for the rich for two years, and possibly forever in return for a three month extension for unemployment insurance. Is this fucking president out of his fucking mind? Dean for President in 2012.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 04:53 PM
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16. It's negotiable as long as Americans elect officials that believe it's unnecessary.
And they literally did just that hardly a month ago.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 02:44 PM
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3. No chance on 1
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Hawaii Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 03:45 PM
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14. There hasn't been a judicial confirmation since Sept. 13
If Democrats don't move NOW on Goodwin Liu, Louis Butler, Edward Chen, and Robert Chatigny then shame on them...

Democrats can't possibly think this (judicial confirmations) are going to get easier in the 112th Congress...

Where's that nuclear option repubs threatened during the last admin?....Wasn't the Gang of 14 compromise created to expedite the process of judicial confirmations?....It's funny how the rules don't apply when there is a Democratic president, :banghead:
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 02:45 PM
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4. When has Obama ever caved to conservatives and got something in return?
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 02:47 PM
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5. Unemployment benefits is the compromise

Obama made it clear that he would only consider tax cut extensions if the repugs vote to extend unemployment benefits.
It's unfortunate that a compromise was needed, but we need unemploy. benefits to continue.
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 03:20 PM
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13. We should never ever allow unemployment pay to be "negotiable"!
That way lies total economic disaster for working families. It gives an incentive for Corporations to maintain a high unemployment rate, and use the "unemployed" to gain even more concessions on other social programs. And since there is no union power today, workers will have to keep on caving.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 04:53 PM
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17. "We" didn't.
The American people did.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 02:47 PM
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6. #1 is a non-starter...there are literally dozens being held up
I think he can get an agreement on #1, but not the actual votes before the lame duck.
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grumgrum Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 02:49 PM
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7. Pat Buchanan said Obama is a Gift that Keeps on Giving
Edited on Mon Dec-06-10 02:50 PM by grumgrum
Pat the other day said it was a Victory for GOP not a Compromise that Obama was giving them Everything and the WH gaining next to nothing in return. From the GOPs point of view Obama is giving away the queen again...and they like it.

Maybe this time will be different and Obama will ask for more than the scraps.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 02:49 PM
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8. yeah the repubs will be chomping at the bit to help obama now
right
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 03:03 PM
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 03:08 PM
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11. I'd rather he hoist the Republicans on their own tax cut petard
Edited on Mon Dec-06-10 03:09 PM by BeyondGeography
But that would require being diasagreeable and imposing a little pain on everyone in the short term. I wish he'd do it, but it's not Obama.

At the very least, he should insist on permanent decoupling. Make the cuts for $250K and under permanent, leave the high-end up for review.

The only thing I'd add to your four items four extending everything is a private thank you note from the Republicans for not doing anything to expose their cynical, brain dead economic policies.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 03:16 PM
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12. We will get only #2. And IMO that will be for a short time (6 months or so). Everything else
is dead. They would never come to a vote in 2010 and the teabaggers control more in 2011, so we are SOL on them.
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