Would you like to see the current tax cut deal blocked

[ProSense]

Details of the proposed deal.

[ZombieHorde]

1. I don't know. People really need these unemployment benefits, but we can't really afford

the tax cuts. The estate tax going to 35% from 45% will only widen the gap between the rich and the poor, which is never good, but again, people need food and shelter these next 13 months.

Republicans suck.

[Meshuga]

16. I am starting to turn on the voters,,,

...For rewarding Republicans in the elections given the behavior from the GOP.

[Dulcinea]

56. Unemployment MUST be extended.

Without unemployment benefits, the economy goes further into the toilet. Unlike banks & the uber-wealthy, the jobless put their money directly back into the economy.

[AtomicKitten]

2. Getting START and DADT in the negotiations would have made it palatable for me.

Wishing-thinking to be sure, but a girl can dream.

[Hawkowl]

39. THAT would've been good

Obama is just one shitty poker player, chess player, whatever. The guy couldn't negotiate himself out of paper bag with a box cutter.

[jaxx]

3. No I don't want it blocked.

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[jaxx]

35. I'm not auditioning for your list.

The President got more than I thought the pubs would let go of, he did good. Put that on the lollypop stick.

[Laelth]

4. No.

This deal positively stinks, and the whole thing has been played very badly. The deal didn't need to be this bad, but it's too late, at this point, to make it much better.

Because the people and the economy need the UI extension badly, I don't want to see this crappy deal blocked.

-Laelth

[jefferson_dem]

5. No.

Way.

[impik]

6. How "Liberal" of you all to throw the unemployed, the students and the small business under the bus

just to satisfy your hate for the rich.

[polichick]

7. How liberal of you to heap the debt for tax cuts for the rich on our kids' backs. nt

[LAGC]

8. Do you realize how much of a pittance Unemployment Insurance is?

What would be better: extending the pitiful unemployment pay-out or raising taxes on the rich to create more jobs?

Ask most unemployed people, and I think you'd find they'd rather have meaningful jobs and be working rather than having to rely on such a pitiful hand-out.

What's going to happen to these people in 13 months when their temporary extension runs out? WE NEED JOBS, NOT MORE BREAKS FOR THE RICH!

[ClarkUSA]

20. What are you talking about? The 99ers I know want this 13 mos. extension.

<< raising taxes on the rich to create more jobs >>

Do you have proof to back up this rhetoric?

[tekisui]

9. I don't hate the rich, only the enabling of the gross inequities.

And the pathetic-ness of the Democratic Party to do anything right.

[ProudDad]

24. I loath the rich

but not nearly as much as the sick "system" that allows them to steal from the Commons...

They're basically steaming piles of turd -- every fuckin' one of them...

[donco6]

10. Just looking for a fair deal. Not a sell-out.

The two elements of the "compromise" aren't even remotely comparable. Nothing to do with hating anyone.

[harun]

11. Want omelets, got to break some eggs.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. That Was Lenin Of Course

Starving/frezing/homeless people are not eggs.

And his successor said "One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic."


That's why I am a liberal and not a totalitarian.

[jillan]

19. How liberal of the president to use the unemployed as a negotiating tool?

All he had to say was I want a bill on my desk for the extension of unemployment benefits and an extension of middle class tax cuts AND IF there are taxcuts for millionaires in that bill, I will VETO it. Nobody is going home for Christmas until this is done.

There is something called standing up for what you believe in.

[ProudDad]

26. EXACTLY

tying the two together is collusion...

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

54. Uhm, he doesn't have the power to hold Congress in session. Separation of powers and so forth.

And if they don't deliver what he wants under your plan, everyone's taxes gets raised (political suicide) and the unemployment benefits don't get extended.

Great plan, moron. Thank god you're not in charge.

[ProudDad]

23. Bullshit...

Obama threw US under the fucking bus...not the other way around...

He's now overtaken William J Clinton as the best republican money can buy...

[frylock]

25. small business like bechtel?

mix in a few more right wing talking points while you're at it.

[KansasVoter]

33. Jesus, you are missing the whole fucking picture

[Dawgs]

42. Uh, there will be more unemployed, less students, and fewer sm. bus. if this deal goes through.

It's actually pretty easy to understand. Try using logic.

[golfguru]

12. I do not hate the rich at all, I actually love them, but................

the rich have grown a lot richer while the middle class has lagged
behind in assets, earnings and purchasing power during the last decade.

Economy works best when all classes participate in the prosperity. I would
not only let the taxcuts expire for those making over $200,000 per year, but
would add a surtax on incomes and assets. At the same time I would give tax
credits to every business who employs people. Half of the rich people do not
employ others and therefore do not deserve or need the taxcuts. By segregating
rich earners this way, small businesses will not be penalized.

[ProudDad]

27. It's actually been 35 years...

The rich have gotten richest at the expense of the Commons, Working People and Mother Earth...

Lot's to hate about that!

[golfguru]

30. Well if they got rich legally more power to them

but even then they need to share more in the national economy
by paying their fair share.

[ProudDad]

34. Legal is what the rich say it is...

Legal is a bullshit indicator...

They are in the process of ruining the Earth and causing misery for over 6 billion people to "get rich legally"...

:puke:

[golfguru]

36. I can't get myself to hate anyone who gets rich LEGALLY

I just envy they have a smarter brain than mine. I wish I was one
of them.

[Honeycombe8]

43. I work for rich people. Some are smarter, but most are not.

What they have that I did (do) not have:

1. A desire for money;
2. A family pushing them to succeed;
3. The discipline to finish secondary, and even post-secondary, education;
4. The desire and ability to live for one's work (type A personalities...workaholics);
5. Sometimes a privileged background that paid for the education...but they also are the ones who push the kids to succeed; failure is not an option;
6. The discipline to sacrifice for years on end, in order to gain wealth (foregoing vacations, family life, anything...the joy in one's life comes mainly from work).

I didn't have that desire for money, to begin with, and I certainly didn't (and don't) have the discipline to do all the other things necessary to gain wealth.

But most of us are certainly smart enough. If you are a little less smart than the next guy, that means you just have to work a little harder and longer. No big deal.

[golfguru]

49. Excellent post, thanks.

I agree 100%.

[ProudDad]

53. Big Deal

You forgot the fact that 95%+ of them are BORN rich...

The hardest working people I've ever known are the folks who roam the Oakland war zone pushing a shopping cart, picking through trash for recycle to buy a meal...

Those "corporate" rich types are lazy fucks compared to that!

[ProudDad]

52. You can't be unless you're either

1) Born one of them (about 95%+)

2) Are as rapacious and megalomaniac as they are and VERY Lucky...

They are probably NOT "smarter" than you -- and CERTAINLY aren't "smarter" than I am... :evilgrin:

They picked the right womb or fit well within the system of Vampire Capitalism at which they excell...

It looks like it's too late for you...

[Honeycombe8]

44. I don't hate or love incomes...I hate or love individuals. Anything else is bigotry, right?

That's what we're taught, right? To hate all blacks because you had a couple of incidents with black people...that's bigotry. Ascribing to the whole group the actions of some of the group. To hate all poor people because some commit welfare fraud. And that would include hating all rich people because some caused our economic collapse.

[ProudDad]

58. If you had paid attention

you would know from my years of posts that I don't hate individual people...

But I HATE with a vigorous passion the "System" that allows such inequality...

So let's agree to drop my little attempt at attention-getting hyperbole and deal with the reality...

Most rich fuckers are born there...

Most of the rest get there because they are NOT very nice people...

And ALL of the rich are stealing from the Commons and in their uncaring ignorance, cause great hardship and harm to most of the people on Earth and Mother Earth herself...

[jenmito]

13. NO! If it is, there will be no time to get to DADT, START, the DREAM Act, etc. n/t

[donco6]

15. You don't really think they're going to get to DADT or DREAM, do you?

Really?

[jenmito]

17. Yes, I DO.

Really.

[bvar22]

14. Bring up the Unemployment Extension in a clean bill,

and MAKE the Minority Republicans TRY to block it.
Then Go to The Public.

There is NO logical reason for the Tax Break for Millionaires to be tied to the Unemployment extension. The Democrats have KNOWN this was coming for 2 years.
Waiting until the last minute, and then holding the Unemployed hostage for Tax Cuts for the Rich is very sick Kabuki Theater.
The people behind this (Democrats & Republicans) are Sociopaths.

[ProSense]

18. "and MAKE the Minority Republicans TRY to block it."

You think they wouldn't? They blocked it for a couple of months this summer. That would put the ball in the court of the Republican-controlled House.

[ProudDad]

28. EXACTLY

But that would take strong values, principles and courage... :shrug:

[ProudDad]

21. Damn straight...

If this shit passes they'll make up by cutting Social Security and Medicare...

They don't give a fuck what happens to old people -- we can't fight for their fucking Empire any more...

[ProudDad]

22. Tax Cut Deal Includes Monstrous Estate Tax, Dividend Concession

The deal will extend the current tax levels for two more years, preventing taxes from going up on any income levels.

In exchange, Republicans have agreed to extend unemployment insurance benefits for an additional 13 months <gee, whiz, how white of them... :puke: >

Other details include a temporary two percent reduction in payroll taxes to replace Obama’s “Making Work Pay” tax credit from the 2009 stimulus bill, and a compromise on the estate tax, which will be set for two years at 35 percent, with a $5 million exemption amount.

The tax rate for capital gains and dividends will be maintained at 15 percent. <LOWEST IN HISTORY -- one more for the republicans >

The estate tax solution comes from Sen. Blanche Lincoln, Arkansas Democrat <NOT HARDLY>, and Sen. Jon Kyl, Arizona Republican.

<snip>

The $5 million, 35% estate tax is a crime. That’s LOWER than the lowest rate under the Bush estate tax, outside of 2010, when the estate tax disappeared. So Republicans get that restored at the lowest rate in history. Even in this weekend’s aborted tax bill in the Senate, Max Baucus included what has become the default Democratic policy, a return to 2009 rates, with a $3.5 million dollar exemption and a 45% rate. (Personally, I favor just returning to Clinton levels.)

More here:
http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/12/06/tax-cut-deal-includes-monstrous-estate-tax-dividend-concession/

[Honeycombe8]

45. You said "how white of them." What the...????

Are you saying that MINORITIES are the ones receiving the unemployment benefits?

[last_texas_dem]

51. Can't speak for ProudDad, but I don't believe that that expression

implies *anything* derogatory regarding minorities. Its use, generally, is to take a dig at someone for acting like they're doing something very generous or great when in fact it's not all that much-- for example, agreeing to a one-year extension of unemployment benefits in exchange for a pointless, wasteful two-year extension of tax cuts for the rich.

[ProudDad]

59. Thank you...

You are entirely correct, Texas... :hi:

"to take a dig at someone for acting like they're doing something very generous or great when in fact it's not all that much"

I guess those others are too young to understand the reference...

[SidDithers]

47. How white of them?...

WTF?

:puke: :puke:

Sid

[ProudDad]

60. Edumacate yourself...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x545933#547338

[dionysus]

48. how white of the--- what the fuck? your slip is showing.

[ProudDad]

61. Edumacate yourself...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x545933#547338

[last_texas_dem]

50. Deleted

(wrong place)

[Telly Savalas]

29. Yes. I want to see unemployed people kicked out of their homes.

They deserve to suffer.

[keepfreespeechalive]

40. Democrats are still the MAJORITY party

A majority in the Senate could do away filibuster tomorrow and pass a larger unemployment benefits package that includes extended benefits for 99rs as well as extend tax cuts for the middle class, but not rich. They choose not to. So you explain that: why do the Democrats choose to deny continued unemployment to 99rs?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

55. No, they can't "do away with the filibuster tomorrow".

If you want to "keepfreespeechalive" you might want to actually learn about how our government works before exercising that free speech.

[FrenchieCat]

31. HELL YES!

I want to see the unemployed begging in the streets......

because what counts is that the Rich have a little less money.....

Those are MY priorities, and it is obviously the opinion of most
here.

We are like Republicans. We care more about the rich
than we do the poor.

Ain't we smart?

[Milo_Bloom]

37. YaY! Regressive tax cuts!

Let's just institute a flat tax and get it over with.

[keepfreespeechalive]

38. Please Poll Primary Challenge

Can't start a poll because I'm not a donor, but I'd like to see just how many people would back a primary challenge from the left. I for one am not voting for him in the 2012 primary even if I have to write someone else's name in.

[lamp_shade]

41. The child in me says "yes". The adult in me says "no".

[Tx4obama]

57. Democratic Components Of Tax Deal Benefit More People Than Republican Parts Of The Plan - Graph

Full article here: http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/12/07/comparing-priorities

[high density]

62. So GOP got $27708 per constituent while Obama got $1372 per constituent

I think the GOP won this battle.