Since WE DON'T KNOW how a President Hillary Clinton or how a President Howard Dean would have . . .

[wndycty]

. . .handled things, I'd appreciate it if folks would stop fantasizing about their non existent presidencies.

I'm confident that if there was a President Hillary Clinton or a President Howard Dean there would be some things that would happen during their administration that would have us fantasizing about an Obama administration.

[bluestateguy]

1. Hillary would drive the peacenicks crazy

She's more hawkish than Obama.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

8. Hillary = WARMONGER --> Never forget it.

[TheCowsCameHome]

2. I'm becoming very concerned because of what I DO know.

and I don't like what I see.

[bigdarryl]

3. Hillary is DLC she would have been worst remember Mark Penn was going

to be her Chief Of Staff

[mtnsnake]

4. I remember when Hillary made Limbaugh cry. I remember when she fought Republicans tooth & nail

in defense of her husband when Repukes were trashing him left and right and she was the only one brave enough to take on the GOP in defense of him, calling them out for their vast right-wing conspiracy etc. Hillary might not have made everyone happy, but one thing she would never do is back down from the pathetic right-wing mob.

BTW, do you know how to use a fucking period or comma?

[Beacool]

6. Well said.

:applause:

[SaveOurDemocracy]

15. Hillary would never have enabled the Pukes like Obama. n/t

[treestar]

19. That would be just words, no?

Who cares, how would that force Lieberman to vote for a public option, or the current Rs to allow a vote on anything they don't want?

This is a fantasy. That just "fighting" (mere words, anyway) will have some magical effect.

[Beacool]

5. Says who????????????

Please......

:crazy:

[Proud Liberal Dem]

10. The loathing towards somebody like Penn

might even have exceeded the loathing towards Rahm IMHO

[Whisp]

20. this is how Hillary reacts when she is not prepared:

scroll down for a video to see how wonderful a fighter she is, and how crafty!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-schmeltzer/colombia-and-bill-the-una_b_96167.html

Colombia and Bill: The Unanswerable Question for Hillary Clinton
Read More: Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton Colombia, Colombia, Colombia Free Trade, Free Trade, Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton 2008, Hillary Clinton Colombia, Sam Stein, U.S.-Colombia Free Trade Agreement, Video, Politics News

Reporters got an interesting response when Senator Hillary Clinton was asked in Pittsburgh about Sam Stein's bang-up reporting that connected the dots in Bill Clinton's work to promote the Colombia Free Trade deal. Reports Newsweek, "First, Clinton giggled. Then she laughed. She waved her arms in the air. Then came an "Oh my." More laughter. A few eye rolls and head shakes. Then this: "I mean, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?""

Oh, I know this one. Wait. What?

The uncomfortable laughter and cryptic response is not a surprise. This is not a question that Senator Clinton can answer, especially if the media asks the right question. That question, naturally, is "What did you tell Bill Clinton when he told you that he was going to take $800,000 to help publicly promote the trade deal, and when he told you he was going to accept an award from President Uribe, as part of the PR effort to boost Uribe's image with Congress?"

In politics, you always try to predict questions, your response, and what the retort to that response will be, to ensure you're not check-mated. I ran through this exercise upon reading about the Senator's giggle-fest on trade, and came up with blanks.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

7. No one person is perfect nor are they going to make everybody happy all of the time

that is just a basic fact of life. It's even MORE true when we're talking about the person serving as President of the United States at any given time. I'd be fine with a President Hilary or a President Dean but let's not fool ourselves into believing that everything that either of them might say or do as POTUS would be uncritically accepted and that there wouldn't be progressives whom get angry or upset with them over something or another. I'm almost 100% certain that we'd be hearing mostly the same stuff we're hearing about Obama with either of them, especially Hilary.

[wndycty]

9. My point exactly

:kick:

[Proud Liberal Dem]

11. Thanks for trying to keep things rational and reasonable

:thumbsup:

[hayu_lol]

12. Windy, feel free to take the guy back to the Windy City...

you need him there worse than his residence in Mt. Olympus.

[lunamagica]

13. At least I know that Hillary is capable of fighting Republicans with all she has

That alone makes me want to have her there.

And why shouldn't people be allowed to fantasize now. Obama ran two years ago without any real experience or record to stand on. He was carried to the presidency on pure dreams and fantasies.

People are grieving. Let them deal with the disappointment the way they can. This is a very difficult week/month, and on top of all we are having to face, we are asked to just keep it all inside and just shut up?

I'd appreciate if we were allowed to fantasize, even if for a while.

[treestar]

17. So there would be no HCR

and you'd be fine with that, since Hillary would have vetoed it, because of no public option. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

This vague "fight" theme has lost its power.

[Clio the Leo]

14. And we KNOW how President McCain would have handled things.

How does a PERMANENT extension of the tax cuts with NO unemployment extension sound to anyone?

Plus all "the gays" have to "shut up and sit down somewhere."

[Bluerthanblue]

18. Word-

and we'd likely have been at war with Iran-

"bomb, bomb, bomb..."

[Clio the Leo]

21. lol, yep, had forgotten about that one. nt

[treestar]

16. With the same Congress, they'd have done roughly the same things

[Bluenorthwest]

22. what is lacking in your proposal is compromise...

If people were to do as you ask, what would you give up, in terms of rhetorical devices. Would you be open to a discussion of possibilities? Do your requests include just the two mentioned, or for example, Kucinich or Sanders? Does it extend to actual fantasy Presidents, such as Martin Sheen, or to purpose made example fantasies, such as 'A President who favors equal rights'?
So in the spirit of the 'tax cut deal' I have to wonder what you will be giving up, and ask for some specifics, on behalf of those who might wish to play with imagination instead of mundane defeatism. While that is not a rhetorical device I have used, imagination and other methods of thinking are usually good things. Why do you see them as bad things? Does that also extend to say, the West Wing, or to phrases like 'what if we had someone like FDR again'?
Have you thought this through? I think if you had, you'd have come with some concessions of your own in hand, ready to make a deal. That is the idea, right? Compromise? So what do you have to offer?