What did progressives think "Post Partisan" meant?

[truthspeak]

For that matter what did the whole country think it meant?

That was a big platform for Obama's candidacy more so than anything else. So did progressives just completely ignore that and thought it was all "fluff" talk. Why are they so surprised and act so "BETRAYED".

I ask because the very essence of post partisanship is what we are seeing right now and what we saw with other pieces of legislation like HCR.

In other words POST PARTISAN = COMPROMISE. The fundamental problem here is that Obama's "own base" were never REALLY listening to him in the first place...just heard what they wanted to hear.

[polichick]

1. Compromise involves BOTH parties giving something up...

In Obama's book, post-partisan means two parties with the same agenda.

With this tax deal, it's been reported that he didn't even bother to involve most Dems.

[DJ13]

3. Correct

Obama equates a full surrender to conservatives as compromise.

[villager]

7. +1

n/t

[derby378]

2. Compromise with neo-fascists?!?

Might as well have asked the Jews to compromise with Hitler.

[gateley]

4. Well I don't think anybody envisioned the lock-step resistance he's faced. We HAVE

had Post Partisan - true compromise - in the past. :shrug:

[ThatPoetGuy]

15. Lots of us envisioned lockstep response from the Repblicans,

as well as an intractable Blue Dog coalition.

Obama's primary campaign theme was "I'm going to work WITH the Republicans, not against them" (paraphrase, not quote), and when Hillary and Edwards and Krugman pointed out that you can't work with fanatics who despise you, Obama's supporters refused to hear.

[gateley]

18. Okay, I'll concede on this one. But (in my flimsy defense) I'm still gobsmacked

at how they've been able to get away with their blatant anti-ANYTHING-Obama.

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[ClassWarrior]

6. I thought it meant doing what's right for the country, regardless of party...

...not doing everything the Rape-Publicans demand, regardless of the country.

NGU.

[jpgray]

8. He also said no extension of tax cuts for the rich. No HCR without a public option

No playing the game with hacks like Billy Tauzin. No lobbyists in his administration. C-SPAN broadcast or otherwise transparent negotiation with industry players. He mocked the idea of private insurance mandates on Letterman, and attacked McCain for considering a tax on "Cadillac" insurance plans, since unions received these in lieu of higher wages.

Your point then is that we could trust him on bipartisanship with a party that seeks to destroy him, but we were fools to trust him on the above?

[ThatPoetGuy]

17. He didn't say no HCR without a public option.

In interviews during primary season, he refused to take a stance on any public option; he gave an intelligent and nuanced view, and simultaneously showed a complete lack of conviction.

The only reason he went on Letterman and mocked mandates was because he was trying to win. That didn't occur to you? Mandates are worse than single-payer, but better than the plan Obama was pushing at that time. It amazes me that Obama's early supporters haven't figured it out yet: Obama the candidate was just as cynical as most politicians, and yet he lacked any core of convictions.

Aside from "If I give my enemies whatever they want, then they'll like me."

[stimulon]

19. “There are a number of things he was for on the campaign trail,” - Pelosi .

[yourout]

9. Is it French for capitulate?

Must be.

[ClassWarrior]

12. Well played.

:rofl:

NGU.

[JustAnotherGen]

10. Hey

This was also supposed to be a post-racial presidency. :rofl:

[truthspeak]

11. Some progressives never cared about this "post partisan crap"

which means they never cared or understood Obama from start.

"Yawn at that crap, just get me my single payer health care damnit!!!" lol

[Deep13]

14. Never cared about it. Didn't back Obama until the primary was essentially over.

I understood him. But this isn't about him.

[derby378]

21. Either that, or Obama never understood US from the start

Tell me something - it's still We, the People, right?

[truthspeak]

22. So 20% of the country (liberal base)...

represents "we the people"...lol

[Deep13]

13. I assumed it was meaningless media clap-trap.

This country has moved so far toward the right during the past 30 years that we cannot afford to cave in anymore. The point of the betrayal is that the actual Obama is nothing like the advertised Obama. And don't forget, we largely bankrolled his election campaign. He owes us, not the other way around. What we got for insurance reform is a lot less than what Nixon offered in the 1970s. Reducing SS benefits are what Reagan dreamed about, but never hoped to get. Every election moves this country away from the center and toward right-wing fascism. So the idea of a compromise is pretty meaningless. Compromise is possible among well-meaning people who disagree on the means to an end. That's not what we have in the Senate. There, we have a minority determined to make us all serfs to a corporate elite. You can't compromise with evil.

[Clio the Leo]

16. "Sure, there's a red America, but I'm only interesting in fighting for the BLUE parts!"

..... yeah, dont remember him saying that at all.

[soleft]

20. You can go back to his 2004 speech - it's there