To Adam Green, Ed Schultz, Glenn Greenwald, Bernie Sanders, and everyone else

[jenmito]

who's blaming Obama for "breaking his promise," you obviously don't understand how govt. works. He obviously WANTED to extend tax cuts for only those making $250,000 or less, but couldn't get it done, because CONGRESS couldn't get it done.

Obama had every right to "lash out" at those who attack him regularly, even though they're supposed to be Democrats. He gets enough BS from the RWers. He doesn't need it from those of us on the LEFT, since he is doing the best he can to fulfill his promises.

If Ed Schultz asks one more person if this is "Obama's Waterloo," I'm never going to watch him again and I'm going to use my enormous clout ;) to get OTHERS to stop watching him, too.

[msongs]

1. us he lashes out at, repubs he placates and gives in to nt

[jenmito]

Wrong. Repubs. he has to WORK with-along with the Conservadems who work with the Repubs. n/t

[ljm2002]

10. But he doesn't have to WORK with those on the left...

...got it.

[jenmito]

12. He has to try to get things passed in Congress.

Period.

[Aramchek]

39. you haven't done one thing to help him. you've had nothing but derision

why should he placate you?

[Uzybone]

2. what is it about the left that we can't wait to fail

Ed is asking if its his Waterloo? Jeebus.

[jenmito]

6. I don't know, but some of us won't know what we had

'til it's gone.

[rpannier]

3. Bill O'Reilly is that you???

Don't be offended.
I was laughing at your third paragraph
It sounded so Bill O'Lielly like. It's funny.

edited because third is NOT spelled Thrird

[jenmito]

9. Nope...

and I'm not offended. :)

[bushisanidiot]

25. O'Lielly is probably trolling DU, bashing the President

along with "democrats".

[yourout]

4. Hogwash......your don't lash out at you base no matter what.

I was coming around to the deal but after that press conference I say go to hell.

[jenmito]

11. Really? Then the base shouldn't lash out at OBAMA no matter what.

But they do-almost as much as the RWers do. And I don't believe for a second that the press conference was what turned you against the deal. :eyes:

[yourout]

16. What a bullshit response.....If I lash out at Obama dozens of people might hear it. When Obama......

uses a nation wide press conference to lash out at liberals he can cost himself MILLIONS of votes.

Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.

And for the record after stewing for a while I was starting to think this was the best we could do.

[jenmito]

18. "The base" includes people like those I named in my OP who get more coverage

than the president does.

[bushisanidiot]

23. Exactly! "Democrats" are attacking him more than repukes.

This is why we lost in the mid-terms. Because of attacks from the left, who didnt get everything they wanted with pink bow on top.

[jenmito]

31. Thank you. :)

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[jenmito]

75. Wow. VERY uncalled for. n/t

[Empowerer]

70. What Jenmito said . . . +1

[jenmito]

78. Really? Thanks! n/t

[CakeGrrl]

14. How about taking some of the advice Progressives love to lavish on the President?

How the hell is anyone expected to fear the power of Progressive influence when the favorite pastime seems to be crying over being "lashed out" at?

A bunch of people regularly interpret every damned negotiation that has to be made in Washington - negotiations with blatantly, consistently obstructionist Republicans - as a slap at Progressives. Then a bunch of people cry to each other about it on the internet and call the President names because he's being mean to them for calling them out about some pretty damned imperceptive backseat complaints about what's not being done right or at all.

But he can't call the Left out for not appreciating any of this effort? Because then they'll REALLY show him?

Good luck with that approach. Progressives with that mindset will never be happy with the way ANYTHING is done in Washington. And go figure - that's exactly one of the points the President made.

Trust - you'll try to find a hero you can believe in - someone who can only SAY what they'll do because there's no way in hell they can actually fortell the future in Washington - and if they ascend and begin to actually GOVERN, they'll be next on the Progressive chopping block as a disappointing failure to do things according to an unrealistic vision and expectations.

[AwareOne]

30. A day of infamy indeed

Obama is now done as the leader of the Democratic party. He has proven to be incompetent and a terrible leader, getting run over by the Repubs every time. He should of let all the tax cuts expire and made the American people understand that their coming tax hike is courtesy of the Republican party. There will be a primary challenge, which will likely fail but be a blood bath followed by a Republican landslide. Enjoy!

[phleshdef]

5. They willfully ignore that he promised not to let middle class income taxes go up.

[jenmito]

Yup-and he had to compromise to get that done. n/t

[emilyg]

7. Fail.

[jenmito]

15. I take that as "success" coming from you.

[Change Happens]

8. Big Eddy is a big ASS!!!

[jenmito]

17. Yup-he's ignorant.

[polmaven]

13. I have turned Ed Shultz off

both yesterday and today. Pretty sad when I would rather watch Blitzer than Shultz!

[jenmito]

20. I'm about to do the same.

It's just too much aggravation watching him.

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[KoKo]

21. jenmito ...Why would a Democratically Elected President "LASH OUT" at his Supporters?

I would like to hear your opinion on this...because I do understand that you support him thinking he's doing the best for America and those who Voted for Him....but why is it that those who voted for him seem to have clashes about where he is taking us...that some of us see and are really angry ...but others who voted for him...think he is doing just what they voted for him for.

There is a disconnect...and I'm not wanting to get in an argument with you...but to understand how as a Democratic supporter of Obama you don't seem to understand those of us who also supported him who are really FREAKING OUT at what WE SEE as his CAPITULATION....TIME AFTER TIME...making us Dems almost a THIRD PARTY in the WILDERNESS...while Pandering to the RIGHT WING PIT BULLS.

That's extreme but it's where it is with SERIOUS DEMS thinking these days.

So...why do YOU still have faith in him...and can YOU CONVINCE ME...to hold with him as My Dem President when he trashes us..at every opportunity.

I don't like feeling like I'm being BEATEN UP when I gave money..worked for Dems my whole long life.

:shrug:

[bushisanidiot]

24. That's cherry picking his statements. He lashed out more at the right

but everyone wants to ignore that.

[KoKo]

26. Your answer doesn't answer the question I asked you, from my heart as to why you support him , now?

I had hoped for more from you and the other folks who still seem to think he's working for "US."

You need to explain in more detail WHY you still can think that President Obama is working for Democratic Ideals? Or, do you believe the Democratic Leadership Council under Clinton...is the WAY TO GO? Deregulation/Triangulation? Giving the country to Banksters ...bailing out those who CORRUPTED AND TRASHED American PEOPLE?

Do you understand that. What do you say? What do you THINK?

[jenmito]

32. Your response is not to ME-who you asked the question to. My reply is below. n/t

[jenmito]

29. I consider it VENTING, being frustrated for being attacked daily by his

supposed base on a daily basis on the air, in blogs, and in newspapers.

I see him doing the best he can with the congress he has. He states his positions, he wants to get his policies passed, (like closing Gitmo, ending DADT, and on and on), and congress doesn't get his agenda passed. Yet HE gets beaten up every single day.

[KoKo]

34. But, "jenmito" WHY do you THINK the "supposed" DEM BASE is Attacking Him?

That's what I asked you! I reached a "hand across" to ask you to tell me what you were thinking...and you answered. "He Is Doing the Best He Can!" I could have elected John McCain to tell me "he was doing the best "he can" after the Repugs saddled him with Sarah Palin!

Give me a better answer as to WHY YOU ...AS A DEMOCRAT...can NOT UNDERSTAND ..WHY..we Dems are ANGRY WITH OBAMA?

[jenmito]

38. Like I said,

I think the supposed Dem. base is attacking him because some of the policy positions HE said he wanted haven't come to pass. I think it's misplaced anger-it should be at the CONGRESS, because if there were 535 Obamas in congress, Gitmo would be closed, there'd be no tax cut extensions for the rich, etc.

[Bluenorthwest]

47. He says my family does not deserve equal rights because of

his religion. And he's frustrated for being attacked? What the hell? He who dishes it out, and claims to be God's own judge and macho jury ought to be able to deal with some heat. This is his deal, what he wants, not what we wanted, and we do not like his lack of fight, which is total, he never, ever advocates, his DOJ argues in favor of hate laws, and goes after medical marijuana, while they say torture and illegal was was just fine.
Sick of the double standard Judge man. Who the fuck does he think he is talking to? I am sick of his insults to me and my family. I'm not a Republican, not an Evangelical, and he says I'm not 'sanctified' whatever the fuck that nonsense means.
Just give it a rest. It is insulting.

[jenmito]

51. The church he went to for 20 years was pro-gay marriage,

and I suspect HE is, too. Robert Gibbs said Obama's views on it are evolving. And as per other LGBT rights, he has done more for equal rights than any other president.

[tekisui]

22. ALl of the Bush tax cuts should have expired. It is going to cost us 3.7 Trillion

over 10 years.

Obama dropped the ball. Now, watch the cuts to social services be the answer to the enormous deficit he has supported.

[KoKo]

28. Those "Bankster/Deregulation Folks who Took over Clinton are working 24/7 for Obama

and they HAVE HIS EAR! Obama is an Incredible CEO ...he belongs back into the DOT COM BANKRUPT ERA, though. HE IS SUCH AN INNOCENT! He's been USED, ABUSED...and now he doesn't ATTACK HIS ABUSERS...he ATTACKS those WHO LOVED HIM...because they THOUGHT HE WAS REAL!


SICK!

[DontTreadOnMe]

27. I support Ed Shultz and for what he is expressing

I never thought I would see the day that DUers would support Bush Policies.

There are those who say this is the best "deal" we could get, they don't realize how far over the top they have gone.

The COMPLETE FAILURE of Obama was that he LET THE REPUBLICANS package together unemployment benefits and taxes.

These are two completely different issues. When you let the other side frame the negotiation, you have lost before any negotiating even starts.

This entire situation is a result of poor leadership. Anyone trying to defend the "deal" doesn't realize that Obama got an "F" in negotiating.
And there is no quick fix for this image of a bad negotiator. The Republicans are going to USE THIS AGAINST HIM AGAIN!

...poor negotiating on health care reform
...poor negotiating on financial reform
...poor negotiating on tax cuts for the rich


...poor negotiating on entitlement cuts IS NEXT!
...permanent extensions of tax cuts IS NEXT!

THE NUMBER ONE REASON FOR THE DEFICIT EXPLOSION IS THE BUSH POLICY, THAT ENABLES THE RICH TO GET RICHER -- while starving the beast -- and making the middle class pay for it all on our grand chilren's credit card.

If this is the BEST DEAL we could get, then you better hang your head low with shame.

And there will be those who will defend Obama all the way, no matter how many facts are shown to them.

"it's the only deal we could get" is not satisfactory!

The Progressive voters are moving on, we got fooled. No more wasted effort on a failure.

[jenmito]

35. " The Progressive voters are moving on, we got fooled. No more wasted effort on a failure."

Luckily, you don't speak for every Progressive.

[Clio the Leo]

33. Ed Schultz is a peanut head....

... Bernie isn't but Ed most definitely is.

[KoKo]

36. Then WHO in the Progressive Democrats is NOT a "Peanut Head" in your View?

Help me on this.

[Clio the Leo]

37. Bernie Sanders, Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann, Ezra Klein, ....

... how many more do you need?

[KoKo]

41. I could agree if they weren't "Media Folks" ...I asked " jenmito" for her/his Views, though

and have not gotten a reply. But, it's "Dinner Time" and folks can't get back somtimes for other reasons...so I expect I'll hear from "Him/Her" later on.

[jenmito]

44. I'm a "she" and I answered you. n/t

[KoKo]

46. Are you saying that You and "jenmito" are SOCK PUPPETS? Sheesh.......

Are you Serious?

[jenmito]

48. What's wrong with you? Do you not see "jenmito" by my posts to you? n/t

[KoKo]

59. Look at jenmito's Post" #41 and make SENSE OF IT..for Me..Please?

There's no Answer to my question there...it's claiming "two of them." Hence my "Sock Puppet" post.

Maybe YOU can answer what I asked "jenmito" since He/She can't do it on their own?

:shrug:

[jenmito]

63. YOUR post is post #41!!! I'm ONE PERSON! WTH are you talking about? n/t

[KoKo]

65. Tell me why any of them could MAKE it AS A CANDIDATE, though...

How could they? What would they need to do to get the Dem Party to Recognize, Support and Fund?

[baldguy]

40. Obama is waiting for the GOP to make concessions during negotiations.

He's got a long wait.

I could still respect him if he tried and failed. But time and time and time again, he's capitulated before the fight was even begun.

[KoKo]

42. He's still playing that 3-Dimensional Chess Game? You believe it will work?

If so...WHY?

[Kennah]

43. President really just needs to grow a mustache and goatee ...

... since he's aboard the ISS Enterprise.

[KoKo]

45. Ahh..."The Starship "Enterprise".....would it be that it could save us.......

That was an Incredible Series...Futuristic! Wasn't it? HOPE!

[Kennah]

49. All true ...

... but in the real world, Shatner is very down on our future as a people.

[KoKo]

57. His "Priceline Stock"...well...it's doing VERY WELL!

He musta learned something from "Futuristics." I can't believe that appearing in a show like that for a Decade wouldn't have left some kind of mark on one's soul. But...whatever. Some people NEVER LEARN...so there's that.

[RetroLounge]

50. unrec

Obama is one and done.

RL

[jenmito]

53. You never really supported him anyway judging by your posts. n/t

[RetroLounge]

87. I didn't get my pony either...

:rofl::rofl::rofl:
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

RL

[KansasVoter]

52. LOL.....yes, you know more about politics than Bernie Sanders!! What a joke.

[jenmito]

54. Are you saying he plans on filibustering AND having votes on DADT, START, the DREAM Act, etc.?

If so, you're right. If not, the joke's on you and everyone who agrees with Sanders.

[KansasVoter]

55. No I am saying you do not think BERNIE SANDERS knows what will and will not work??

[jenmito]

74. Yes. I also think he is dreaming if he thinks the vote they just took and failed on will be

different this time.

[KansasVoter]

81. LOL....ok, see you in office soon!

[OhioBlue]

56. I agree Jen - if the House had passed a budget we wouldn't

even be having this conversation. The Senate could have passed the middle class tax cuts with reconciliation. Or if they would have done it in 2009. They screwed up, pissed away a road map to pass it without 60 votes in the Senate and are now laying it all on Obama.

And Mary F-in Landreiu - paaaaleeeezzzzeee. If she wouldn't have been such an obstructionist on legislation we wouldn't have taken up so much time in the Senate on other issues and they could have dealt with this earlier.

[jenmito]

80. THANKS, OhioBlue. :)

[polichick]

58. Oh good grief - this prez deserves to...

...get his butt kicked next election for the incredibly irresponsible deal he's cut. I only hope there's someone to run against him, either in this party or a third. If not, we'll have a Republican president, who will continue these same disgusting policies.

[KoKo]

60. But......we are "DAMNED IF WE DO....DAMNED IF WE DON'T DO....

We are BOXED IN!

[polichick]

64. I hope you're kidding. nt

[KoKo]

66. No...Why do you think that from my post? n/t

[polichick]

68. Sometimes posters use caps when they're being sarcastic. nt

[KoKo]

73. Sometimes they do it for Emphasis....when they feel need to get point across...

even if it seems "shouting." Sometimes "bolding" just doesn't express the angst of the individual poster that they would hope others would see.....just saying how I feel about using the "Full Caps." I know there are many who would disagree with me...but I still think what I said......

[chimpymustgo]

61. Stoooopid.

[asdjrocky]

62. I know, we just don't understand what a real American Hero Obama is.

It's our fault.

[KoKo]

72. You know...that's an excellent point you make...Somehow Dems who voted for Obama, worked and donated

just don't understand how hard he's working for us.

WHY IS THAT? HOW COULD THAT BE? ARE HIS SUPPORTERS MORE "SELFISH" than the RIGHT WING REPUGS? Do we DEMAND MORE than the RIGHT WING REPUGS with their LIMBAUGH, CHRISTIAN RIGHT and GLENN BECK NETWORKS AND RADIO?

Are we DEMS who VOTED FOR OBAMA...somehow "Lesser People?"

Does that Mean that Obama only listens to Limbaugh/Beck/RW CHRISTIAN RADIO and the NYT/WAshinton Post/WSJ/POLITCO and the HOARDS of MEDIA WHO "GUIDE HIM?"

What DOESN'T OBAMA READ OR LISTEN TO? Do you think he's ever watched "Democracy Now?" Read "TPM, SALON.COM, Nation, Rolling Stone, Mother Jones, Consortium, Common Dreams, AlterNet, OPEN LEFT,"FIRDOGLAKE,BUZZ FLASH,DAILY KO,"DIGBY?......or the MANY LIBERAL ECONOMISTS...like KRUGMAN, Steiglitz, Galbraith, Whitney, Baker, Yves Smith (Naked Capitalism), "Big Picture Blog," or Minyanville and other Democratic Leaning Financial GURU's?

There are so many other Democratic Blogs out there that the list could go On and On! Does Obama EVER READ THEM?

[EFerrari]

69. It must be everyone else and not Obama. n/t

[wndycty]

71. I've stopped listening to Ed. . .

:kick:

[KoKo]

76. You know...I don't watch him all the time...but when I do he makes sense..

He has some great rants and some that leave some of us "rolling eyes" ...but I've checked him out and he does pass the Dem and even Left...TEST.

I know some DU'ers always try to trash him as some Repug who turned Left Recently. They portray him as a Limbaugh type who got RELIGION so Recently to Dem Party that he's just making money out of it with his New MSNBC GIG.

Other DU'ers who were in Fargo, North Dakota said that ED turned LEFTY WAY BACK...and they listened to him for years before he even got his Gig on AIR AMERICA RADIO.

I've listened to him since his Air America Days. I think he has some influential people in Congress who support him. He showed that on his AAR SHOW... I think he's an excellent counter for Dems against the RW RADIO/FAUX NOISE.

I don't think he deserves the trashing that many DU'ers give him. But, I can understand why we always question anyone who in the "MSM" seems to support Dems. It's so RARE. BUT...EVEN OUR OWN PRESIDENT seems to have a VERY HARD TIME...supporting DEMOCRATS...so what difference does it make if our President or Pundits who say they are Dem...aren't really DEM...if OUR OWN PRESIDENTIAL LEADER...can't come out and SUPPORT DEMS? :shrug:

[jenmito]

77. Good...

my "enormous clout" is working. :D

[BlueIris]

79. Letting go is tough. I feel you on your own obvious anger.

But this is soooooo over. Pundits, posters and voters are right to call it like it is.

[jenmito]

83. I'm not letting go of anything. You WISH, maybe, but I and others are NOT letting go. n/t

[jenmito]

82. Lawrence O'Donnell just destroyed THREE progressives on his show who ALL said

Congress should let the tax cuts all expire and try to give them retroactively in Jan. or Feb. They were Jane Hamsher, Adam Green, and Roger Hodge. Ezra Klein said they shouldn't, and O'Donnell agreed.

[KoKo]

84. You feel that's a GOOD THING?

YOU SAY:

"Lawrence O'Donnell just destroyed FOUR progressives on his show "

.....

Couldn't you hear that from Glenn Beck, Limbaugh or FAUX NEWS 24/7? You think because Lawrence O'Donnell acts like a DLC/BLUE DOG...it sounds BETTER?

Who pays O'Donnell besides MSNBC in his New Gig? :shrug:

[jenmito]

85. Yes, it IS a good thing...

these progressives are rabid anti-Obama Dems. to the point they make no sense. Lawrence broke down the facts for them and told them how it works in the REAL world, how their position is unrealistic and un-doable.

[zulchzulu]

86. K&R for sanity

[jenmito]

88. THANKS, zulchzulu! :)

[rurallib]

89. I am confused. It is OK to put our kids into hock to China

so rich people can have a bigger pile of money, while only about hlf the unemployed get help and few jobs are created? Got it.

[Dinger]

90. Happy to UNREC This Shit

:) :patriot: