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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:45 PM
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Is Obama on our side? Of course he is.
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 12:04 AM by LuckyTheDog
Regarding the tax cut deal…

Can you really say that you understand the pressure Obama is under and that you would have acted differently in his shoes? I don’t think any of us can honestly say that.

The question we have to ask ourselves now is this: Do we trust President Obama or not?

Whether or not we think Obama did or did not make the right call… whether or not any of us think he is being naive or even weak in this instance… do we trust him? And by that I really mean: Do we still believe Obama has good intentions? Do we think he is on our side or do we think he has a secret agenda?

Based on what I have seen – and I have been observing Obama since his days in Chicago, long before he was a national figure – I think his heart is in the right place. I don’t think he betrayed us. Maybe he could have handled the negotiations better. Maybe he could have gotten more concessions. Maybe he let himself be cornered. Those are things I can’t say for sure. But, once push came to shove, I think Obama did what he thought was right. I don’t see this deal as a betrayal. At worst, it was bad deal-making.

The rhetoric about this deal has become a bit hyperbolic. A lot of people on the left have used some pretty strong words (and here, I am talking about the left in general and trying my best not to direct my comments at DU in particular). Some act as if this compromise undermines everything we believe in. And, maybe, looked at in a vacuum, disconnected from everything around it and Obama’s broader intentions, one might see it that way. In context, however, I don’t think that idea stands up to scrutiny.

I described it this way in another DU thread: I think handing my wallet over to an armed robber is hostile to everything I have ever stood for. But if the criminal had a gun to the head of my son, I'd hand it over in a second and would not apologize for doing it. Why? Because there is such a thing as a tactical retreat -- it's about living to fight another day, protecting others from being victimized in order to save your own pride and keeping your bigger priorities in mind.

Is it criminal that the Republicans pushed things this far? Yes. But look at it this way: In six months, anything an armed robber is likely to take from you can be replaced. Likewise, this whole thing will be ancient history to the public in even less time than that.

On the other hand, had unemployment benefits been cut off, had taxes gone up for the middle class, if the Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped 1,000 points, had the economy started to move into a double-dip recession -- and all of that COULD have happened -- the impact could have been felt for years.

And let there be no doubt about it, the Republicans would have gladly taken things that far. They would have pulled the trigger. There would have been blood on the pavement. The GOP is the political party equivalent of a sociopath.

What do you do in a case like that? Let the bastards have the wallet. Live to fight another day. I think that’s what Obama did. He let he bastards have the wallet – for now – in order to avoid what could have been a catastrophe.

We do not have to like what Obama did. We don’t have to agree with it. However, I categorically reject any implication that Obama betrayed us or is secretly working against us. To me, that’s as ludicrous as saying that he was born in Kenya.

(edited for a minor punctuation fix)
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:47 PM
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1. Obama had the guts to call out the Republicans as the thugs they are nt
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:48 PM
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2. I think he is on our side. I think his heart is in the right place. And he is wrong.
However, I doubt this will pass the HOuse and Senate.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:48 PM
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3. Please quit trying to inject reasoned argument into this p*ssing match.
:)
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:29 AM
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9. LOL, could Obama do anything wrong?
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:39 AM
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10. He needs to dumb down the message. .... for starters. nt
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:49 PM
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4. thanks
I think you're right on.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:49 PM
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5. Agreed, kicked and rec'd.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:51 PM
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6. This wasa a great bedtime posts...
thanks for your thoughts...it makes alot of sense!
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:07 AM
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7. One more thing
I typically don't unrecommend posts just because I disagree with them. Jusy sayin'.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:28 AM
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8. He's on the wrong side of lots of issues. (IMO)
Instead of prosecuting war crimes, he attacks the messenger. Bradley Manning sits in a solitary confinement cage. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest of the thugs from ChimpCo will never face justice. Many of their fucked policies and violations of our constitution continue under Obama.

He will have us in hopeless wars for decades to come, because we're all supposed to be scared shitless of terrorists.

His response to the BP blowout was the biggest clusterfuck since Katrina. The US Coast Guard and the EPA were taking orders from, lying for, and protecting BP. (And they still are).

Perhaps he means well, but he's in way over his head.

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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 12:42 AM
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11. K& R and closing down DU on this
encouraging thread.

It's good to read some sane, reasoned thoughts.

Thank you for sharing this.

g'nite.

blu~
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Umbral Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:05 AM
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12. What I don't understand...
...is why you'd want to legitimize the notion that Obama was born in Kenya?
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:32 AM
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14. Ummm...
I'm not doing that and you know it.
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:05 AM
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13. Big rec and morning kick.
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:34 AM
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15. Thanks...
... this thread has been attacked by a lot of anonymous unrecs.
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 08:06 AM
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17. So has every other positive thread on this board. Don't worry about it.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:11 AM
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20. Same here!
Rec and big thank you for the OP. Well said.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 07:41 AM
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16. K & R. Good analogy. n/t
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 08:26 AM
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18. K & R
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 08:35 AM
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19. This all could have been avoided...
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 08:35 AM by catgirl
if the House and Senate had proceeded with a tax vote BEFORE the elections. Remember when Nancy Pelosi decided not
to have a vote because the Blue Dogs were afraid to lose the rich persons votes- even though many were in mostly middle-
class districts? Then they lost anyway.

If there had been a vote, we would have extended the cuts to the middle class only. If we had voted on unemployment benefits?
That would have passed, as well.

Obama got stuck having to negotiate with the impossible Party of No.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 09:14 AM
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21. I disagree that
the cuts would have been extended for the middle class only. That and UI benefits would have failed cloture votes.
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