Question: After senate pass's SOME bill wont it still have to go to joint house\senate committee?

[uponit7771]

My understanding is after a bill comes out of the senate it'll have to go to a joint house\senate committee lead by dems where we can change the bill to what we want it to be then get it passed with only 51% of votes in house and senate...

If that's true then why should we care what comes out of the senate just as long as the joint committee overrides the stupid stuff don't we win?

Thx in advance for any input

[Shrek]

1. Still need 60 votes at that point

The bill that comes out of the joint conference is still subject to filibuster.

See here.

There's a hard bit of reality in that, of course. Because even once the Senate does finally finish its bill -- which means it gets past the threat, or multiple threats, of filibuster -- the whole thing can start all over again when the conference report comes back to the Senate for final clearance. Yes, a conference report is subject to filibuster. That's part of the leverage the Senate has over a weary and waiting House. Take what we give you, or you'll have to stay in session and pass another 650 suspension bills, waiting for us to break the filibusters of the motion to agree to the request for a conference, the motion to appoint conferees, and then of the conference report itself.

[rurallib]

4. At that point I would hope Reid would let the pubs filibuster

and make them go 24X7X365. During an election year I would think this outrageous stoppage of government would throw a huge spotlight on what the republicans truly stand for: NO.
Make them stand up and show the world that they, the republicans, are the ones that deny health care.

[uponit7771]

6. damn

[shraby]

2. That's what's supposed to happen. What rots my socks is

in committee it took them forever to come up with a horrid bill that ostensibly HAD to be able to get 60 votes as Baucus kept saying ad nauseum whenever he voted "nay" on an amendment. Then it gets to the Senate floor and has been changed to something that bears no resemblance to what came out of committee. (What was so important about 60 votes for it again?) Now, even the shit-bill they have won't get 60 because Lieberman has set himself up as a dictator. Screwim. Take away his committee chairman post and let him cry foul. He should be toast on the Dem. side of the aisle.

[quiller4]

7. Punish Joe all you want the bill still needs 60 votes and that means

holding on to Baucus and picking up Joe, Olympia or Susan Collis.

[tritsofme]

3. The conference report will still need 60 votes.

However some people are talking about bypassing the conference completely and bringing the Senate bill to the House floor to be passed as is.

[OneGrassRoot]

5. I was wondering if the US has ever had a national referendum....

on a difficult-to-solve issue, politically.

I just found this site and thought it might be of some interest.

http://www.nationalreferendum.org/

I wish we could have a national referendum on HCR. The Senate has become, in general, a clusterf*ck.