Axelrod: "The President would veto any bill that included extending tax cuts for the rich"

[Enrique]

Axelrod: "The President would veto any bill that included extending tax cuts for the rich"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=433&topic_id=434904

[xchrom]

1. ooopsie. nt

[sakabatou]

2. That's a bit of good news.

[old mark]

3. Well, maybe not ANY bill...nt

[hlthe2b]

4. Oh, you and your "ancient history"... that was waaaay back

in September....







:sarcasm:

[polichick]

9. Yeah, why should that count now?!? nt

[young but wise]

5. This was before the election. Of course you knew that.

[ProSense]

6. I thought the word veto was never used?

You mean he didn't cave before he caved?

[Dawgs]

22. WTF? The point is he would NOT support any bill that extended tax cuts for the rich.

It doesn't matter if he veto's or not.

:rofl:

[TwilightGardener]

7. Yep--and read post 51:

"many Democrats running away from economic plan"--they didn't want this vote before the election.

[dave29]

8. Kucinich a "Firm No" on HCR

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/03/15/4428022-kucinich-a-firm-no

With President Obama today campaigning for health reform in Dennis Kucinich's congressional district, Kucinich's office reiterated to First Read that "he is a firm no," according to spokesman Nathan White.
The health bill isn't progressive enough for Kucinich, who voted against even the House-passed bill, which included a public option.
Kucinich wrote an op-ed in Sunday's Cleveland Plain-Dealer, outlining his position. He said, in part:

"President Barack Obama is in northern Ohio on Monday to campaign for his health care plan, and I will be here to welcome him. I have met with the president three times to discuss how we can work together to address the serious deficiencies in our health care system. Even at this late date, I am hopeful that the White House will be able to reinstate key reforms that passed the Education and Labor Committee on which I serve.
"Unfortunately, the president's plan, as it currently stands, leaves patients financially vulnerable to insurance companies. It requires all Americans to buy private health insurance policies, while failing to ensure those policies do what they are supposed to do -- protect people from financial catastrophe caused by injury or illness. ...
"Absent a strong public option or legal protection for states that wish to pursue single payer, the bill that the president is proposing is a step in the wrong direction. Even with the few modest improvements in the bill, the insurance companies will still have dozens of loopholes to deny care and continue to find ways to leave Americans with the unpayable bill."

[Enrique]

10. Obama took him on a plane ride and Kucinich flipped

how come he never takes blue dogs on plane rides?

[dave29]

12. Just showing you how things change.

Just in time for you to 'change' the subject

:hi:

[Dawgs]

25. Things only changed for Kucinich because of lots of pressure.

Obama does it all the time and it only takes a light breeze.

For fucks sake, he was the one that made a deal with the insurance companies to drop the public option. Hardly sticking to his 'must include a PO' pledge.

[LiberalFighter]

15. With no parachutes?

[Dawgs]

24. One time with Kucinich who was hard to convince to many times with Obama.

Who does it all the time.

Pretty bad comparison on your part.

[closeupready]

11. Somehow, three months is 'ancient history', but two years is 'not enough time to pass judgment'

Gotta love it.

[Autumn]

13. "The bill I sign must include a public option"

President Obama July 2009 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: See a fucking pattern here?:cry:

[Enrique]

37. he said it himself

"This is the public option all over again," Barack Obama.

Next year we'll hear, "this is the Bush Tax Cuts all over again..." maybe when he escalates Afghanistan and the "purists" have the nerve to object.

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[CakeGrrl]

16. And situations change and require changes in plan. Have you ever

worked on a project where something happened that forced you to alter your original plan?

No?

[Enrique]

17. nothing changed

Axelrod knew a deal was coming. Not reported in that OP is that Axelrod used weasel words signalling Obama's cave-in.

[Dawgs]

23. So we should never take the administration at its word?

Because this is not the first time this has happened.

[cherokeeprogressive]

26. The goalpost now has wheels and an engine, and will soon have wings as well.

If I had a buck for every time I've heard that he didn't say what he said, or meant something other than what normal English speakers would interpret his words to mean, I'd have a stack o' bucks so tall I could climb up on it and see Russia from my house.

[cherokeeprogressive]

18. K n R

[frazzled]

19. Wrong: he said PERMANENT extension of tax cuts

That was when we thought we had our first clue.

But if vague threads about what someone thought they heard him say on CNN is your idea of hard facts and research, there's probably not a lot I can do here.

[Dawgs]

21. Ah, so TEMPORARY EXTENSION FOREVER is okay.

Now we know.

:rofl:

[Dawgs]

20. Kind of like "Any plan I SIGN MUST include.. a public option"

"Any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange: a one-stop shopping marketplace where you can compare the benefits, cost and track records of a variety of plans - including a public option to increase competition and keep insurance companies honest - and choose what's best for your family."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/07/obama_says_health-care_reform.html

Oops!!

[cherokeeprogressive]

27. Yeah but that's not what he meant.

He meant to get elected.

His bandwagon was covered with shiny, pretty slogans. We clamored to be the first onboard for the wonderful ride he promised.

Hang on, this ride isn't over yet.

[Beacool]

28. That was in September, now we are in December.

You can't expect a guy not to evolve and change his mind with the passing of time, don't you?

:eyes:


:7

[dionysus]

29. Bea, are you trying to start a kerfluffle? i have something for you if you'll be good

;)

[Beacool]

31. Yeah, well gimme, gimme!!!

:woohoo:

[dionysus]

34. be patient Bea!! these things don't knit themselves you know!

:hi:

now you're going to be good.... right?

:D

[Beacool]

36. Good is boring!!!

:(

Bad is far more fun!!

:evilgrin:




:hug:

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[niceypoo]

32. Perhaps Obama will keep his word...

...and veto his own bill when it comes to his desk?

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[polichick]

35. Oh stop, you must be a racist...

:sarcasm:

[great white snark]

38. Must have been deleted for no reason then. nt