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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:06 PM
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The Obama years are not quite what we expected
"Let's make a deal" is a shitty way to run a country. This is becoming more and more clear by the day.

The mantra of kicking problems down the road continues, sluffing off responsibility to whomever the next president is....increasing the debt load of those who have not even had the audacity to take their first breath of life.....

One of the things that upset me was that George W. Bush was so irresponsible to the future....and now when I hear or see President Obama, the image and sound blurs to Bush.

Call me a purist. Call me ideological. Undercutting social security revenues via a payroll tax holiday robs the elderly for a maybe, possible, if the moon and stars and sun are in perfect alignment increase in GDP by a whopping .05 percent.

How many jobs would that equate to? How will that increase production of goods and services that are created, built, manufactured in the USA? Because this is the kicker. If demand goes up to increase production of stuff made overseas - the only fricking jobs that will be found are in sales, distribution and marketing. That giant sucking sound is the amazing phenomenen of the extinction of labour's role in an economy.

Mr. Obama, with all due respect -

I am ideological. I believe corporations who operate and sell products in the US - should pay taxes to the US. I believe corporations who manufacture products overseas to sell in the US market, and are US owned should pay US taxes. I beleive that they too have a responsibility to the future.

I am a purist. I believe corporations should hire Americans to make stuff to sell to America. All stuff. Shoes, hats, bluejeans, toys, consumables. I believe that corporations who profit must pay, not only in taxes, but in jobs. I believe that corporations who seek, use America's vast military strength to ensure access to resources in foreign lands should pay for it up front. And if they can't or won't.....then the war games are off.

I am a liberal. I believe that folks who work hard all their lives, and contribute towards Social Security should not be faced with working 2, or 3 or 5 more years before recieving benefits. I believe that it is the responsibility of the younger generation to pay into the program and not undercut its stability or value.

You can call my ideas - so Yesterday if you want. You can call me names. But once upon a time, America was more than a shadow of what it is today. Once upon a time it believed that if you worked hard, played by the rules, and contributed towards your community, your society and your country, your children's future would be secure.

Let's make a deal....YOU FIGHT THE TERRORISTS IN THE REPUBLICAN VISION, and I won't think of you as Chamberlain. YOU FIGHT THE TERRORISTS SITTING IN CONGRESS AND THE SENATE, or else they will have won by default and your legacy of the Obama Years will go down as an utter failure.


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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:11 PM
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1. as a minority I have no idea what America you are talking about
"But once upon a time, America was more than a shadow of what it is today. Once upon a time it believed that if you worked hard, played by the rules, and contributed towards your community, your society and your country, your children's future would be secure. "

What? When was this?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:11 PM
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:12 PM
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3. Disagree
It's what I expected and more.

Didn't expect smooth sailing and a progressive coup.



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displacedvermoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:14 PM
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6. But there can't be a coup as there aren't enough of us, most of us
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 03:15 PM by displacedvermoter
are happy as hell, and it don't matter anyway!

It's all good.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:18 PM
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10. "most of us are happy as hell"
So most people are not unhappy?

Does one have to be unhappy to accept progress and continue pushing for more?




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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:14 PM
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4. We?
ROFL
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:14 PM
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5. What you mean "we" kimosabe. You don't speak for me.
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 03:16 PM by lamp_shade
Oh Lord... the drama.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:16 PM
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7. "This country was founded by compromise".
As Obama has said.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:17 PM
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8. Compromise would be most welcome. We haven't seen any.
NGU.

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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:18 PM
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9. I expected him to be a moderate, exactly what he said he was. I listened maybe you didn't. I am
a supporter and thankful we have a pragmatic person in office at this time.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:20 PM
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11. I expected him to be a moderate too. Not a jellyfish.
NGU.

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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:31 PM
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13. (And for what it's worth, there is no such thing as a "moderate.")
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:21 PM
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12. He is what he said he would be. He's a pretty good reflection of the Democratic party as a whole.
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 03:21 PM by cottonseed
Who did you vote for?
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:41 PM
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14. .
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 03:41 PM by lamp_shade
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:42 PM
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15. He did the Right Thing. This is what I expected of him. This is why I voted for him.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:43 PM
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If you thought he was coming in as a left wing progressive you weren't paying attention
and besides he has accomplished a great deal, imo.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 03:43 PM
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16. At the end of the day, I expected a democrat... not someone one notch to the left of W
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:04 PM
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17. So what that Obama didn't end up being Dick Gregory,
It's what we have to work with & it had been one hell of as lot worse.
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