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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 10:08 PM Original message |
If Pres Obama unequivocally refused to budge on the tax break deal, what would have happened? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
1. Tax cuts expire, House Reps originate another package that |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. Bingo. |
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DFab420 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
40. +1 nt |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
57. Agree ... and you should add this ... the media will ... |
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DrToast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Not just the media |
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frugal99 (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
59. Sadly, this is true....But i think the House now is doing right by demanding some changes.. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
2. We'll never know, because he didn't do it. n/t |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
3. Why is this game of chicken so important? |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 10:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. You may be right or wrong, but I would say one thing for sure... |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 10:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Some people here might remember that he stood on principle. Lots of other |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 10:39 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Then you are suggesting a lose/lose scenerio... |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 10:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. It didn't have to be a lose-lose, but both the WH and Congress let |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:00 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I agree with you on the hopefully lessons learned part |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 05:47 AM Response to Reply #15 |
42. Obama tried to get it done before the midterms, congress balked since it could hurt em n/t |
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qazplm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 10:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. he would have won liberal votes |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 10:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. If you are right qazplm... |
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qazplm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:16 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. I think the only things that help him |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
22. Whose votes would he have won? |
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OhioBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 10:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. We would also lose our chance to repeal DADT |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 10:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. But would he have excited (and united) the Dem electorate? |
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qazplm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 10:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. you dont think |
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OhioBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 10:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. no. the Dem electorate would not be united |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
65. wow. OUT OF TOUCH |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
20. The left would be going after the President for breaking his promise |
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blazerunner (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
11. John Boener would have signed tax cuts for middle class only |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
12. 2 scenarios |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 10:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Thoughtful answer --- and to have a better election in 2012? |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:09 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Personally |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. Really? You're OK with unemployed people suffering! |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:37 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. I personaly dont think thats how it would have gone down, with different leadership |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:06 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. No only Boehner said that |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:47 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. When all we have is excuses |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 10:31 AM Response to Reply #36 |
44. Not excuses but reality |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 10:51 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. They have also debunked |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. You don't trust Ezra Klein??? |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. I just went and read the transcript |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. No he gave an explaination |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:19 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. 1) The MSM adopt GOP talking points and blame the President |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:49 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. They will do that anyway |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:02 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. 2) Not they, only Boehner |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:01 AM Response to Reply #32 |
38. They still will |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 10:35 AM Response to Reply #38 |
45. You should run for Congress |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 11:17 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Here's why that won't work |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. No it is supposed to acknowledge that |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 03:32 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. Yup. thats me in a nutshell |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 09:21 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. At least you admit the truth nt |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:26 PM Response to Reply #12 |
28. How does he pin the the middle class tax cuts on the Republicans when |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:39 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Again, if it was understood beforehand that he |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:18 AM Response to Reply #30 |
39. Yes middle class tax cuts failed in the senate. It only got 53 votes. |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 11:20 AM Response to Reply #39 |
50. For arguments sake |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 07:07 AM Response to Reply #12 |
43. 3) |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 11:54 AM Response to Reply #43 |
53. See Above |
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Pryderi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
21. He would've lost. Even Dem Senators were against the bill. Losing would've made him look weaker |
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nevergiveup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
25. Pure and simple |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
27. Nothing would pass in the Senate and they would go home... |
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Life Long Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:15 AM Response to Original message |
34. Your playing with the unemployed. |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:18 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Supply side economics caused that unemployment |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 02:00 AM Response to Original message |
37. The Republicans would have refused to spend any of that money on stimulus of any kind |
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Still a Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #37 |
58. That's a great point |
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lamp_shade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 04:38 AM Response to Original message |
41. He wasn't willing to take that risk with American lives. That's why I voted for him. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
48. Obama will have to pick some fights if he wants to win re-election. (nt) |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. He has picked his fight |
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frugal99 (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. Yes, this is the problem with Obama -- he will do anything to avoid a Fight... |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
54. Tax cuts expire and the deficit is significantly reduced. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
62. +1 |
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jeanpalmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
64. He should haved applied the tax cuts for the rich |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
66. Republicans would have let taxes rise |
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BlueCheese (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
68. Well, in 1995... |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-09-10 09:56 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Wouldn't have happened this way. |
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