DADT repeal not dead yet. Lieberman, Collins, and Reid will introduce free standing bill today.

[jefferson_dem]

RT @JoeLieberman: @SenatorCollins and I and others are introducing a free standing bill to repeal #DADT today.

http://twitter.com/#!/JoeLieberman/status/12984232183865344

Lieberman plans standalone repeal of 'Don't ask, don't tell'
By Michael O'Brien - 12/09/10 04:40 PM ET

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) said Thursday that he'll introduce a free-standing bill to repeal the military's "Don't ask, don't tell" policy.

Lieberman said that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) agreed to bring legislation to the floor to do away with the military's prohibition on openly gay and lesbian service members.

The Connecticut independent said that he would introduce the legislation as soon as today with language that mirrors an amendment to the defense authorization bill.

Senators failed to begin debate on that defense bill in a vote this afternoon, with even some Republicans who favor repealing "Don't ask, don't tell" voting to sustain a filibuster.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/133001-lieberman-plans-standalone-repeal-of-dont-ask-dont-tell

[dave29]

1. woah

ok unexpected

[Pisces]

36. This is tied to the tax bill and everyone knows it. No votes for the extended

taxes, no votes for DADT. Anyone who thinks differently is asleep. In Congress it is you scratch my back, I scratch yours.

Keep posturing dems and sacrifice our only chance on DADT and a guarantee on unemployment for 13 more months. Politics is an ugly business.

[CakeGrrl]

40. Susan Collins said as much a few days ago. She wouldn't vote on DADT until

the tax cut issue was "resolved".

[DrToast]

2. Don't see how that helps.*

*

[karynnj]

8. If there are other issues on the defense bill, it allows just this to pass

Then, without it, it is very likely - that the number of people who object to that will let it pass.

This is incredibly unusual as the norm is to put unpopular things in the Defense bill on the theory that no one wants to filibuster the defense bill when we are in two wars - hey, it worked against the Democrats. It depends on the few Republican and every Democrat - except Manchin being comfortable voting on a stand alone bill. Interesting.

[DrToast]

16. Isn't it going to take longer to get this standalone bill done?

Or as Reid said, a standalone bill will allow DeMint and crew to block it.

[alcibiades_mystery]

23. Not if you have 60 votes to invoke cloture

[karynnj]

33. I don't know

It depends on whether all those 30 hours periods can be concurrent on different bills - if not, I don't see how it doesn't add a lot more time. We've seen all years new and different ways to stop bills - so I wouldn't disagree on that.

[karynnj]

38. The roll call is interesting

I went to see it because of the (correct) discussion about Lincoln not getting there early enough to vote - and the fact that we got 57 votes. The numbers did not add up - as Reid and Manchin should be nos - and Collins was the only Republican.

From the roll call - Reid did NOT change his vote. Very significant because it means that he will not bring the bill up again. It seems likely he will strip out DADT and get the Defense bill passed.

Am I right on the significance of this?


YEAs ---57
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Begich (D-AK)
Bennet (D-CO)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Coons (D-DE)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Hagan (D-NC)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Specter (D-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Udall (D-CO)
Udall (D-NM)
Warner (D-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)
NAYs ---40
Alexander (R-TN)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brown (R-MA)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Kirk (R-IL)
Kyl (R-AZ)
LeMieux (R-FL)
Lugar (R-IN)
Manchin (D-WV)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Wicker (R-MS)
Not Voting - 3
Brownback (R-KS)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Lincoln (D-AR)

[DrToast]

41. Via Twitter: Reid is talking about rule 14

I guess that would allow them to bypass the committee for a standalone bill. I don't know what the requirements are for that, though.

[Clio the Leo]

3. hope this is just not a symbolic vote....

... sorry, I've become a bit cynical today.

[wryter2000]

4. K&R

That's a pretty interesting mix of sponsors. You can hardly call that partisan.

[brooklynite]

5. It - Won't - Work

which three additional Republicans will flip their votes on DADT alone?

[dave29]

6. maybe those that said they would support it

but you are right, doubtful.

[jefferson_dem]

7. Actually, we only need two flippers... from Murkowski, Brown, Manchin, Snowe.

Of course, Reid will flip from no to yes. That will give us the 60!

[dave29]

9. the forecast calls for no Snowe

you can always count on that, unfortunately

[elizm]

11. Where the hell is Linclon? Why didn't she vote?

[tosh]

13. She actually wandered in late

and requested that her "Aye" be recorded.

It was too late.

[CreekDog]

31. brilliant

:eyes:

[Tx4obama]

Manchin will be a 'no'. It will be Murkowski, Brown, & Snowe as a 'yes'.

Manchin has always said that he will be a 'no'.

[alcibiades_mystery]

26. Brown and Murkowski

You only need two additional. The vote was 57-40. Add Reid to the YES column and you have 58-39. Add Brown and Murkowski, and you have 60.

Anyone have a roll call on this? I think Kirk was conspicuously absent.

[dennis4868]

10. why would this change anything?

wont you get the same result - 57-40?

[alcibiades_mystery]

21. No...the GOPers are being forced to claim that their opposition is to the whole DAB

for budgetary reasons. In other words, they are claiming NOT that they oppose DADT repeal, but that they oppose the whole DAB going through without a sense of the budget implications of the tax bill, AND the ability to tack on amendments (i.e., defense pork). Presumably, then, without the whole DAB, the DADT repeal (which has no budget implications whatsoever) should sail through. They essentially had to go on record opposing the DAB for fiscal reasons. They can't say that they are opposing DADT because the tax bill hasn't been handled yet, since that makes no sense, and puts them on record as merely extorting votes. Now, they are obviously extorting votes, but you can't be on record saying that you're doing that. There has to be a fiscal/budgetary element that would tie the current bill you're opposing to the tax bill.

[CreekDog]

12. So without Machin, assuming everyone holds, they need 3 Republicans

not only to vote for it but to vote for cloture.

Murkowski (voted N today)
Brown (voted N today)
Collins (voted Y today and is sponsoring this)
Snowe (voted N today)
Lugar (voted N today)

Geez, with that cast, what's Plan B? :eyes:

[dave29]

17. Lincoln may vote yes, she missed the first vote

.

[CreekDog]

27. hope so

[Mass]

14. Which will allow Levin and McCain to pass a Defense Bill without DADT

and then Kyl to block DADT because of lack of time.

I am not questioning Lieberman here. He has been working on that, but Collins just woke up when it was clear the votes were not there, and the two other needed (Brown and Murkowski) could have done the same thing.

[slay]

18. +1

exactly. when will people learn - LIEberman in not on our side.

[Mass]

19. Actually, my point is that Collins is not on our side.

I think, in this case, Lieberman may be.

[slay]

25. I hear ya

but I don't think LIEberman is. I think this is just so they can get the defense bill through while not repealing DADT. I hope I'm wrong. We'll find out soon enough.

[alcibiades_mystery]

15. Two questions:

1) That will have to go back to the House. Can the House pass a DADT repeal stand-alone?
2) Will putting the bill up as a stand-alone prevent it from being attached again as an amendment to the Defense Authorization should it fail in the Senate as a stand-alone?

[onenote]

20. This seems counter-intuitive to me

When DADT was tied to the defense authorization bill, it allowed members to claim that they weren't voting for DADT, they were voting for the Defense Authorization bill. As a stand alone, there is no fig leaf and its hard to see how you get more votes for a standalone than you did for the comprehensive bill. Plus,if the issue is that the repubs won't let anything move until the tax bill is considered, what difference does offering DADT as a standalone make?

If someone can explain this, I'd love to hear it. Right now it seems pretty inexplicable.

[alcibiades_mystery]

22. See Post #21

n/t

[onenote]

24. thanks.

That still seems pretty weird to me and I still wonder whehter, once the curtain has been pulled back, all we will be left with is more evidence of republican hypocrisy, but not a different result.

[alcibiades_mystery]

28. There would be no reason to put the bill forward

The only possible downside is if putting it forward as separate legislation prevents it from being included again as an amendment to the DAB.

Collins has no need to stick her neck out on a vote that will fail cloture. She wants a co-author on this thing for independent creds. Barring shenanigans having to do with amendments to the DAB, this strikes me as a very favorable development. I think the House Dems and Reid forced her hand on this, and she's going to huddle up with brown and Murkowski and get it done.

Manchin's a fucking moron. The guy has six years of votes ahead of him, and has ZERO reason to buck the caucus on this. He may go to an aye vote as well, and claim his previous no vote was budget related.

[jefferson_dem]

29. Reports are Manchin is a "Yes" on stand-alone if he's the 60th. If true, need just one more!

House would need to pass stand-alone #DADT repeal, then Senate. Manchin said he'd go Aye as 60th, plus Collins/Reid. Need Murkowski.

http://twitter.com/#!/juliarosen/status/12989480264798208

[Teaser]

30. I do not believe these soulless monsters

I loathe the senate. I really do.

Forget abolishing the filibuster. Abolish the freaking Senate.

[alcibiades_mystery]

32. Brown and Murkowski will vote AYE, imho

Once the thing looks sealed, Mark Kirk will run into the chamber and vote AYE for cloture.

[Clio the Leo]

34. ** Lieberman: We ... are confident that there are at least 60 Senators who support repeal.

We are working with our colleagues and are confident that there are at least 60 Senators who support repeal. http://yfrog.com/h0870j
http://twitter.com/#!/JoeLieberman/status/12992142611841025

[Warren Stupidity]

35. unintentional black knight reference?

oh the irony, it hurts.

[jefferson_dem]

39. Ah...Oh course.

Merely a flesh wound...

[Sheepshank]

37. Reid has already said he has 3 paths to repeal of DADT

this appears to be #2.

Gosh darn it's close!!!!!!!