Should Obama share some blame for the failure of the Senate to repeal DADT?

[Cali_Democrat]

Pretty straight forward poll.

[donheld]

1. According to some it's not totally dead yet.

:shrug:

[Cali_Democrat]

2. True....I'm only referring to the recent 57-40 cloture vote

Any vote/bill that comes after that does not apply to this poll.

[Renew Deal]

5. No. I blame Reid for that.

What's with his haste to get it voted on?

[Proud Liberal Dem]

3. Why?

:shrug:

[BklnDem75]

4. Because he's always to blame

Many scream make them filibuster. When they do, Obama gets blamed instead of the pukes.

[Cali_Democrat]

7. Is that a yes or no?

[Proud Liberal Dem]

15. a resounding NO

n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

16. Thanks for your vote. n/t

[Aramchek]

6. your rush to blame it on Obama is a little premature

[Cali_Democrat]

8. LOL....check my post again

Where am I blaming Obama? I'm taking the pulse of DU.

I never said Obama is to blame. However, I am curious to see what other members think.

[Aramchek]

11. oh, sure, you're just asking an innocent question. no implications whatsoever.

:sarcasm:

[Cali_Democrat]

14. What am I implying?

I gave two possible options.

1) Obama should share blame
2) Obama should not share blame

What are my implications by posing these two questions to DU? These two options are polar opposites.

I think you're trying to look for something in my post that just isn't there. Just relax. It's a harmless poll.

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[Pisces]

10. Obama had it done with the tax bill and everyone knows that

Collins has stated with tax provisions she would consider DADT. Politics is an ugly business. They get what they want we get what we want.

[CakeGrrl]

12. Yep. Senate Repubs are balancing DADT repeal against the tax cut deal. n/t

[donco6]

31. Yes.

Brings "thrown under the bus" to a whole new level.

[damntexdem]

13. Once again, I cannot vote because of an ad across the link.

I would say NO. Obama has totally lost my support because of his caving into the GOP on tax cuts for the rich. But DADT is basically the fault of the GOP.

[Life Long Dem]

17. Take it or leave it.

So they left it! Nice going!

[forty6]

18. Obama should surround himself with gay soldiers who were

kicked out of the military, show what the US lost with our official bigotry.

Then invite 100 Senators in to praise the soldiers' skill.


That's the real world, get on TV at 9 AM each day like Ellen does.

Tell the real story. Obama, not doing this so much. He is not leading.

[Onlooker]

19. Absolutely yes

A President is measured by his ability to pass key legislation. He right now has a Democratic Congress and the ability to arm twist and negotiate personally with some Republicans. He's not using his political power except to push around liberals. Shame on him.

[Radical Activist]

21. Untrue.

He pushes and twists Republicans all the time. That also takes participation by the public. Responsibility can't be handed off to one person.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=553154&mesg_id=553154

[Radical Activist]

20. The Senate has been a roadblock on every progressive issue for the past two years.

It's very clear where the problem is. The netroots did a very poor job of dealing with that problem when it chose to put all the focus on Obama.

[Fruittree]

22. Finally someone concisely states the real problem!

Thank you!!

[ibegurpard]

23. absolutely

his administration has been going out of its way to defend the policy...thus making it even more of an issue than it had to be.

[struggle4progress]

24. Session's not over yet

[Cali_Democrat]

25. Interesting results

Many people think Obama should share some blame, but even more think he shouldn't share blame.

[Kaleva]

28. The DU Silent Majority speaks.

[dionysus]

26. some, certainly not all.

[ruggerson]

44. hell just froze over

:hi:

[PufPuf23]

27. I voted unhappily Yes.

POTUS Obama could stop enforcement by Executive Order.

POTUS Obama regarding marriage rights has not had the rhetoric or actions of 100% for sexual minorities.

He has made incremental progress in supporting civil unions and partner benefits.

I would like POTUS Obama to have a presser this week to address DADT, DREAM, WikiLeaks, and the tax/unemployment deal (again).

[bigwillq]

29. Some (nt)

[slackmaster]

30. Yes. He should be providing some moral leadership on this issue.

He hasn't so far.

[Prism]

32. It should never have been relegated to a lame duck session. He risked LGBT lives and careers.

This is a can that did not need to be kicked down the road. It was perilous to leave it in the hands of a lame duck Congress. We were saying as much over a year ago. We said "If Republicans win the election, it is dead in the lame duck session. They will have no reason to compromise or give in if they are about to claim power."

I'm so sick of being right about LGBT issues with this administration. And yet, people will still shout down that us gay folk have no idea what we're talking about it.

Now will people understand? That we do know what we're on about? It's only our lives, people.

[Occam Bandage]

33. No. However, he does share some blame for his failure to suspend it now that the Senate failed. nt

[jenmito]

34. The Senate is going to try again and most likely pass it once the tax bill is done. n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

35. Looks like DU is split down the middle. n/t

[justiceischeap]

36. When he says that HE will get DADT repealed by the end of this year

And, it looks likely that it won't happen by year end, then yes, he is to blame. He could have told the DOJ not to appeal the Circuit courts ruling but they did anyway. He could have put a halt by executive order to any dismissals of gay soldiers while Congress took the proper steps to repeal the law but he didn't... so, yeah, his leadership appears to be lacking, especially when we all see Congress is lacking in leadership.

[Kaleva]

37. He never said he'd get DADT repealed by the end of the year.

[cherokeeprogressive]

40. Well he sorta didn't say it, didn't he...

From the 2010 State of the Union Address:

"This year, I will work with Congress and our military to finally repeal the law that denies gay Americans the right to serve the country they love because of who they are. (Applause.) It's the right thing to do.

[Kaleva]

43. The holdup is in the Senate now.

The repeal has already passed the House and the Sec. of Defense and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff have testified before the Senate in favor of repeal. I was really hoping the repeal would pass yesterday and I was following the thread that was keeping up on the vote.

It is also my hope that the filibuster rules in the Senate are changed back to how they used to be. Make the filibustering Senator actually speak for hours on end.

[PVnRT]

38. I'd blame those GOP senators like Brown

who claim they support repeal, but refuse to vote that way because they're grade-A chickenshit.

EDIT: Of course, there's also Joe Manchin. I'm wondering what, if any, positions he holds that are actually in line with party values, because it seems there are none.

[Arkana]

39. No. It's the Senate's job to put it on his desk, and Obama was working the Senate

all day before this vote.

Blame Scott Brown and Olympia Snowe for siding with the bigots once again. Hope you enjoy your short tenure in that seat, Scotty, cause we're comin' for ya in 2012.

[cherokeeprogressive]

41. Wow he was working on it "all day"?

Hot damn he deserves every bit of the credit when it passes then, and none of the blame if it doesn't.

All day? He's been President for almost TWO YEARS.

[Arkana]

42. Please point out where I said that. Go ahead. I'll wait.

Do you even know what it means to "work the vote"? The White House didn't have advance notice of the cloture vote scheduled--they found out the same time as everyone else. One day was all the President had to make the necessary phone calls.

And he's been a staunch supporter of DADT's repeal, so he definitely deserves some of the credit if he somehow manages to shoehorn this past the Senate. Your attempts to somehow turn a potential repeal of DADT into a negative for him are nothing short of laughable.