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DaveofCali (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:45 PM Original message |
Obama never said that he was a progressive? |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. Hit legislative record as a senator and state senator mostly reflects that of a liberal. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. your point is excellent- |
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DaveofCali (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Tell that to Truman |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #9 |
33. Interesting example. Truman was also attacked by the liberal wing for being too centrist. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. Wrong. He may be a centrist, and he may be president of 'all the people' |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. You are also wrong. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. very good points. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Agree ... |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #10 |
30. Those progressive stances have no strength if they aren't legislatively possible. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #30 |
49. Well, apparently if you "fight" and have "spine" Congress does what you want or something |
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sasha031 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
2. yes he did, obama is now running against obama |
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movonne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
3. He never said he was a republican neither...he seem to be more |
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WiffenPoof (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
4. Let's Just Say... |
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FirstLight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 05:11 PM Response to Reply #4 |
38. +1000 |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
5. Any progressive in his position would be forced into the same types of compromises |
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DaveofCali (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Still, FDR, Truman, and even Kennedy and Johnson |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
45. No, they had much more Democratic Congresses |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Nonsense |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:58 PM Response to Reply #13 |
35. We fragment, they don't. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
21. Difference is, a progressive would have to be FORCED into them. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Plus one. Key word being 'claimed'. nt |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
7. Throughout the campaign, Obama usually responded with I do |
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BlueJac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
11. Then that is one promise he didn't break |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
12. And he's still a progressive. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Progressively more rightwing by the day maybe. nt |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Gotta disagree. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. No |
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young but wise (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. +1 |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Which, QED, leaves him being centrist, not progressive. nt |
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Enogero (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Yes |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Welcome to DU |
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Enogero (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. thank you--long time lurker |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 07:46 PM Response to Reply #17 |
39. Nice wishing, but little actual evidence of this dream. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. More than a few critics do not think he goes far enough in his policies |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:16 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Wait |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Sounds to me like you're blaming Congress for any of his progressive shortcomings |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:27 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Do you believe |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. No, he would not have been displeased. However, you don't define someone as being a Progressive |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #27 |
46. Then there are no progressives on this board |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
34. One thing Obama is NOT is a monarch |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 05:00 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. "You have to work with Congress and the Senate to get legislation passed." |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Actually, Bush had ALL the Repigs and many Blue Dogs in his lap |
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displacedvermoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Got civics = Poutrage!!! |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. Not really, though that myth keeps cropping up on DU |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. You are right. I wish people would realize that had Congress |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
41. I voted for him with my eyes open. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
42. A progressive and a liberal are TWO very different things. He is no doubt a Progressive. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. the hell he is progressive.... what do you have to back up that claim? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Well, start off with what you think "progressive" means |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. He pushed the repeal of DADT. That is a progressive move. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 05:46 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. so he has to be Progressive because.... of DADT |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-10 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
44. Step out of the echo chamber and process the fact that he is a progressive |
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