CNN: Rahm has asked Reid to use Reconciliation. How about that?

[Aramchek]

Gloria Borger just reported that Emmanuel has asked Harry Reid to reconsider using the Reconciliation process to pass Healthcare Reform.

Lieberman is not gonna stop this train.

Full steam ahead!

[dave29]

1. hehe.

:)

[roguevalley]

150. I will believe it when I see it. I am sick of wondering if they are playing

chess or if they are all just bastards. It could just be another empty sentence. Like all of them have been. Wake me when spring comes. I HATE THEM ALL!

[lamp_shade]

2. I so hope this is true.

[movonne]

9. +1

[styersc]

3. A Democrat with a spine and a set of cajones?

I hope that they wear name tags so we recognize them.

[Jackpine Radical]

131. A spine and a set of boxes?

[old mark]

163. Si!!! Mas Cajones!!! Cajones Uber Alles!!!

Boxes for everyone!!!

Change we can agree on.

mark

[grantcart]

4. 14 minutes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x56088

[Aramchek]

7. good call, sir. From your keyboard to Obama's Blackberry?!?

[grantcart]

15. lol

[janx]

8. I noticed that!

:hi:

[dave29]

12. I had just signed it too lol

:)

[Soylent Brice]

32. wow. do you have any suggestions for lottery numbers?

that's impressive!!

[Eric J in MN]

5. Doesn't seem like something Rahm Emanel would do.

If Harry Reid actually uses reconciliation, then I'll be glad to hand out credit all around, including to Rahm Emanuel.

Until then, I'm skeptical Emaneul said that.

I find the report by Politico, confirmed by mcjoan of Daily Kos, that Emanuel told Harry Reid to cave to Joe Lieberman by dropping the Medicare buy-in more believable.

[DrToast]

21. I think it's finally settling in that they don't have a choice

If they come up with a bill that could actually please Lieberman, Nelson, etc. then they'll lose other votes.

Last week I theorized that there's no single bill that can get 60 votes.

[DURHAM D]

31. Sounds like Rahm is leaking about Rahm again.

It is what he does best. Once again Rahm gets an A for own ass covering.

[Eric J in MN]

38. Yes. Rahm Emanuel may being doing one thing while leaking the opposite. NT

NT

[Aramchek]

58. bwahahahahahaha!! you guys are too much

[SIMPLYB1980]

62. LMAO!

:tinfoilhat:

[DJ13]

40. Depends?

[rudy23]

56. Exactly---we've already given up the farm in the name of getting 60 votes.

Now lets see if the bill looks ANY more progressive now that we're using reconciliation AFTER crafting the bill to get 60 votes.

[Aramchek]

61. nothing has been given up. the Public Option will live again.

[rudy23]

65. Wanna bet? That's a bet I'd love to lose.

If a public option free of triggers, and accessible to at least 50% of us passes, then I will eat my words. I will write "Aramchek was right" as part of my sig line, if you are willing to match my bet, and come out on top. I'll do it with glee.

[27inCali]

77. Since it's so popular with the public

and the Dems desperately need some kind of meaningful victory.

I think it is almost inevitable that we are going to see a very Progressive bill if Reid pulls out the reconciliation.

[WI_DEM]

39. Well, If McJoan says so--then it must be so.

[Aramchek]

63. no shit, right? all hail McJoan, the Oracle of Bitteri

:sarcasm:

[Zodiak]

6. If this is true, then it is good news

Apparently the WH is drawing a line in the sand. More of that, please.

[ShortnFiery]

10. I don't believe it. :-) eom

[Aramchek]

14. your belief has little effect on the truth

when the Bill is passed, will your bitterness still keep you warm?

[grantcart]

17. You Better Believe It!!

[ShortnFiery]

27. No, I don't.

It's bullshit! They'll strike another corporate compromise in favor of the large insurance industry.

[Aramchek]

33. 'Cause Obama's a Corporate Nazi, right?

:sarcasm:

[ShortnFiery]

44. No, because EVERYTHING Obama has done has been FOR either the MIC or Wall Street ...

since the moment he stepped into the Oval Office.

People are beginning to wake up from the "HOPE ether" and believe their lying eyes and ears ... despite all your cheerleading.

The TRUTH is out there ... unvarnished.

[Aramchek]

67. you are beyond reason. running on pure emotionality.

[ShortnFiery]

75. Not fully but there's an element of emotion. I also happen to be right.

I don't take kindly to being fooled. I'm saddened beyond belief that I wasted my vote on Obama. He really had me going ... I was HOPEFUL. But no more. :(

[Aramchek]

82. You're not right at all. But since you are so convinced, go ahead and take me up on that wager

DU could use the donation.

[ShortnFiery]

87. Go back to you locker room bets. I'm not about that and you know it. eom

[Aramchek]

91. I detect uncertainty in what was once assured.

Just as I expected. ;)

[ShortnFiery]

94. Yeah yeah ... whatever you wish to believe ... I consider it delusional but it's all you ....

and quite a large following as of now ... enjoy the deafening reverb while it lasts. ;)

[Aramchek]

99. that'll be about 8 years. Enjoy!

[MNDemNY]

107. You have a lot to cover, you made a bet with me, too, Aquarius!

$50 donation!

[Aramchek]

121. wanna raise that to $100 DU Donation, since shortround is scared? I'm game!

in fact, I would go all the way up to $500 just to teach you a lesson.

what do you say???

[grantcart]

125. You sure spend a lot of time talking to I. Gnore

[KrR]

92. haha i get it ;) n/t

[ShortnFiery]

98. Does the word "sycophant" mean any damn thing to you?

;)

[KrR]

105. Now im lost n/t

[Inuca]

158. LOL!! n/t

[ShortnFiery]

24. When a shitty bill is passed, Obama will be a one term President and we'll clean

HOUSE and SENATE of all the corporate Blue Dogs.

[Aramchek]

36. Obama will be President for the next 8 years, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

;)

[ShortnFiery]

47. Cool! I'm going to stop arguing and bookmark this page. See you in 2012.

:hi:

[Aramchek]

74. with your attitude, you might not make it that long.

but since you are so certain of yourself,
care to make a little wager?

I'll bet you a $100 DU donation that Obama wins in 2012.

Want to put your money where your mouth is??

[ShortnFiery]

81. Too funny! It's always about MONEY to you folks? How sad - that mean green rules you?

No worries, I will do my best to "make it" to 2012. :hi:

[Aramchek]

86. you talk big shit, but you must not have such unshakeable faith in your assertion

if you are unwilling to bet on it.

If what you say is certain, how could you lose?!?

[ShortnFiery]

88. No, it's you and your "status quo" bully boys and girls who make BIG TALK.

We know where all the pressure is coming from, yet you swagger ... unconvincingly. :evilgrin:

[Aramchek]

96. avoiding the obvious, huh? I would make nothing from this wager. Only DU would benefit.

You are just scared that you will have to pay it.
Because deep down you know that Obama is going to win, don't you?

[OKNancy]

45. Yeah, and the the seats will be held by Republicans.

I'm sure you are aware ( maybe not) that liberal Dems can not win in the so-called Bluedog districts.

[ShortnFiery]

52. Nope, progressive democrats. I - and many like me - will not vote for CORPORATE politicians ...

of ANY stripe. This is MORE than Democrat vs. Republican but Corporate Whores vs. Pro-working American Representatives.

[OKNancy]

66. I'm really laughing hard right now.

You think Dan Boren will be replaced with a progressive? ROFLMAO

[MNDemNY]

68. This guy is one of the most prolific water-carriers on the interwebs.

:+ :+ :+

[ShortnFiery]

83. self-delete

:blush:

[MNDemNY]

97. S&F, you KNOW I was not referring to you!

I was referring to Aramcheck!

[ShortnFiery]

100. Oh gee, sorry.

I'm jousting with too many folks.
Please excuse me and I hope you have a good evening. :hi:

[MNDemNY]

102. always do!

kisses!

[Robbins]

71. So

In 2013 you want President Palin or President Romney with a Republican Congress giving eather of them
everything they want?You want another depression to hit because that Is what will happen with the
tax cuts for wealthy the answer to everything crowd.

[Aramchek]

80. Rationality is not possible in the Hater mind, apparently

[Sebastian Doyle]

114. And hate is apparently the only thing in the mind of the $6/hr Message Discipline LLC employees

as is evidenced in all your posts.

[Aramchek]

122. you're still wrong, Bastian.

just a regular Democrat sitting at home on my day off,
making posts from my couch.

It's a shame that you would rather accuse people of being paid operatives than actually defending your hating ways.

[MNDemNY]

132. You are the delusional one!!

Very clown-like, indeed.:+

[ShortnFiery]

90. I only know that I will NOT vote for another Corporate Democrat. Period - end of story. eom

[KrR]

113. With President Kucinich right? n/t

[ncteechur]

147. you really cannot be that slow

[jsamuel]

11. Lets go back to a full public option then.

No reason not to now

I certainly hope this story is true.

[tosh]

49. Yes, STRONG public option.

:thumbsup:

[tblue37]

120. Screw that--I want single-payer. nt

[tosh]

137. Me too, but.... nt.

[Blasphemer]

140. Exactly. Compromise failed. Full steam ahead with real reform please! nt

[Tom Rinaldo]

13. This is what I wanted to hear. May it be true

I am more than willing to believe this, but we will find out soon enough if this report is true.

[DrToast]

16. Fan-freaking-tastic! Suck it, Lieberman!

[Aramchek]

22. can we get some "Suck it, Lieberman!" T-Shirts printed up stat?

[GCP]

57. I'd buy one!

God, I loathe that guy. :puke:

[Sebastian Doyle]

18. Yes to reconciliation, no to Rahm having any involvement in it.

Because this is the opportunity to go back to a REAL reform bill, and we all know that Rahm and his brother hate that idea.

[polichick]

23. Yeah, it's kind of hard to see this as something Rahm would push for. nt

[Aramchek]

The Senate will handle the Reconciliation. Rahm just passed Obama's message along to Reid

[monmouth]

19. I swear, those guys read DU between 4pm and 5pm. (downtime?)....n/t

[lamp_shade]

20. President has called mtg tomorrow of all 60 Senators. Hmmmm.

[rudy23]

25. What is he advocating Reid use reconciliation for?

Is it to pass the existing bill as it is? Or to push for something more progressive?

If we'd known we were using reconciliation, why all the giveaways over the last few months to get to 60 votes?

[DrToast]

35. If we're using reconcilation, I imagine it'll look like the House bill

[MNDemNY]

43. Better, that was "toned down" with the Senate in mind.

[MNDemNY]

26. Which train?

If we are going to use reconciliation , should we waste the effort with a bill such as is now on the table, or should we get more, much more? Honest question. Aramchek, what do you think, being a water-carrier for the White House, and all, should we waste it on a weak bill? or should we get the strongest bill we can with 51 votes? :shrug: I think if we go this route we should get what ever we can with 51 votes, that would be something MUCH more progressive than anything on the table now.

[Aramchek]

42. the Public Option will be in the Bill Obama signs

[MNDemNY]

46. What public option?

Can you not answer the question? Or have you not got the memo yet? Too much thinking for you?

[Donnachaidh]

55. and pigs will fly if it is.

:eyes:

[MNDemNY]

64. But you will support it in ANY FORM, correct?

Obama will sign anything he can call Health care reform. ANYTHING. You know it, I know it. I have an issue with that. You do not. That is why your stance is clown like, and also much as a tool.

[ima_sinnic]

106. lol! can I have some of what you're smoking?

even if there is a "public option," I'm afraid to imagine the details, because they won't be anything to get excited about--in fact, they might make me even more angry than I already am.
There is no.way.in.hell that the greed-head corporatists are going to lose one thin dime in this process; in fact, things are being put in motion to make them even richer, the public be damned.

[janx]

112. Very good question!

:toast:

Interesting possibilities...

[SIMPLYB1980]

28. K&R!

[Robbins]

29. If True

Then I was wrong what I said In another thread about Obama's advisers wanting Republicans to win.
Let's hope If Reconcilliation Is used expansion of medicare and Medicaid remain.

[timeforpeace]

30. Oh how quickly our emotions change! One moment suicidal, the next euphoric!

[WI_DEM]

34. I think Reid has in the past indicated that reconciliation is not off the table as well.

[polichick]

37. I do recall him saying that. nt

[jenmito]

41. CHOO CHOO!!!

Full speed ahead!

[DrToast]

50. All aboard the HC Express!

[SIMPLYB1980]

70. Right on!

[high density]

133. Who wouldn't want to be on a train with Alison Brie?

woo wooo is right.

[Aramchek]

51. That's an Invitation! To make a Reservation! chugga-chugga-chugga-chugga!!

[leftynyc]

48. This can't be true

I learned on this board that Rahm hates liberals.

[Aramchek]

don't forget, Obama is forcing Reid to make a deal with Lieberman

:sarcasm:

[Donnachaidh]

53. of course they'll ram it through now that the public option is GONE

Pardon me if I don't join in on the partying. It's one big fat give away to Rahm's insurance friends.

[rudy23]

60. Note that they waited until AFTER watering down the bill to get 60 to threaten reconciliation

Let's just see if they try to pass this off without restoring the parts of the bill that would've had 51+ on board with reconciliation in the first place.

[Donnachaidh]

78. yup -- doesn't surprise me in the least

We're getting f*cked over by our own party. And we're supposed to be HAPPY about it.

[janx]

69. Pssst...the guy with the insurance friends is LIEBERMAN

He is owned by them!

[Donnachaidh]

76. and you don't think Rahm isn't buddies with them as well?

:rofl:

[janx]

79. Not like Lieberman. n/t

[Donnachaidh]

84. oh, there's degreees of corruption you're willing to look past?

WOW. :eyes:

[damntexdem]

54. The WH wants a bill; and LIEberman's grandstanding would kill a passable bill.

So even Rahm has to ask for reconciliation.

[BeyondGeography]

59. hehehe

Rahmbo.

[27inCali]

72. this is coming from Rahm?

that's weird.

[Eric J in MN]

85. Too good to be true. NT

NT

[PopSixSquish]

73. What DUers Conveniently Forget When They Vent Their Spleens About Rahm

is that the end of the day, he will do what the President wants as White House COS. And if you don't want to assign an altuistic motive to Rahm, then consider a more selfish one on Rahm's part, he's got to get the President's agenda passed in order to keep his job...

(Yes, I know that him leaving would delight several DUers, but seriously think about it a moment)

[Eric J in MN]

89. They can also pass a lousy bill even Joe Lieberman likes...

...and declare that they accomplished Health Care Reform.

Obama said in his address at the joint session that the public option isn't very important one way or the other.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/remarks-by-the-president-to-a-joint-session-of-congress-on-health-care/

"the public option is only a means to that end -- and we should remain open to other ideas that accomplish our ultimate goal."

[LovinLife]

93. The Democratic Party will be exposed. I doubt they can get 50 senators to pass real HCR. NT

[Eric J in MN]

103. There are 50 Senators who would vote for a Medicare buy-in at 55...

...(for people without health insurance) and/or a public option with negotiated rates.

[Aramchek]

104. thanks so much for your obviously heartfelt concern

:sarcasm:

[Scurrilous]

95. Good news.

:thumbsup:

[DCBob]

101. Excellent! I had a feeling this was coming.. They have been hinting about it for weeks.

Filibuster this GOPers!

[Cha]

123. Good, right on time!

:)

[tekisui]

108. Good. Should have been done long ago.

Let's see if Reid actually does it, and what kind of bill gets passed.

[Renew Deal]

109. Rahm is clearly a DLC corpo-bankster-pharma stooge

:silly:

[Eric J in MN]

Here is a link.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/12/14/white-house-senate-dems-divided-over-reconciliation/

(I'm skeptical that Rahm Emanuel is pushing for reconciliation, but anyway)

[Enthusiast]

110. I doubt the veracity of this, but

if it is true they need to bolster the weakened public option because what has been proposed so far sucks bad. Surely we can get 51 votes with a strong public option.

[Eric J in MN]

111. The HELP Senate Committee produced a weak public option,

...the Senate Finance Committee produced no public option, and the US House produced a weak public option.

(weak = negotiated rates; strong = rates based on Medicare)

[Myrina]

115. ... of course he has, the insurance co's want this done by End Of Year ...

... so they can start forecasting next year's premium/profit increases and start drafting their new coverage-limiting legal language that has to go before various State DOI's.

[Aramchek]

116. you're deluded if you think the Insurance companies want Reconciliation

It takes all their bought and paid for Senators out of the mix.

[MNDemNY]

130. ain't happenin'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x56717again, your deluded views are very clown-like. :+ :rofl:

[robo50]

117. Should have done this back in June!!!! My opinion...

Rahm has proved he's incompetent.

Get him out of the White House, he's crippling our President with all this waste of time.

[Aramchek]

118. it had to be proven to Harry Reid that there was no other way.

now he will have no choice but to face that, with Liebertrash blocking up the Hall

[IndianaGreen]

119. That is the only thing that can redeem this shit!

[David Zephyr]

145. I don't believe it. It's just a story being floated.

Rahm wants a nice corporate bill along the lines of what Max Baucus was working on earlier this year before the public option, before the expansion of Medicare caught on.

Rahm's just playing a record and hoping some will dance to it.

[janx]

124. GOOD NEWS, if it works.

But they'd have to tie it to the budget. From what I've read, there are some good budgetary reasons to carry this forward. Didn't the CBO examine this? Somebody please refresh my memory!

[Imajika]

127. This will not be done through reconcilation...

They will strike a deal with the moderate and conservative Democrats. My guess is the Medicare buy in gets jettisoned. There will be no public option of any kind.

[janx]

128. Maybe we'd better consult the 8-Ball.

[vaberella]

126. CNN has Rahm pushing for Reconciliation----Politico & Huffpo (two liars) say deal made with Lieb. nt

[CreekDog]

129. Amen

please oh please oh please. :D

[ShadowLiberal]

134. At this point it's worth the risk/gamble, we're getting nowhere with 60 vote requirements

Reconciliation may be very unpredictable, but it's worth the risk at this point with people like Lieberman constantly screwing us over by flip flopping on stuff like medicare buy ins as soon as it becomes clear that Liberals like it.

[MNDemNY]

135. Would you like to take this thread back yet??

clownish, very clownish.:+ :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Aramchek]

136. I see you failed to respond to my post challenging you to up the ante on our bet

cowardly, very cowardly

[MNDemNY]

138. ..

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :+

[Aramchek]

141. you probably would just welsh on it anyway, eh?

[tekisui]

142. You're a joke, you got nothing.

Now you have egg on your face.

[Aramchek]

164. do you have the balls to join in the bet, or are you as scared of losing as your buddy?

[Blasphemer]

139. Are they going to put back in everything they took out in the name of compromise?

Don't compromise, weaken the bill and THEN look at reconciliation. It doesn't pass the smell test.

[Politicub]

143. If President Obama signs a bill with a public option

he will go down in history as one of the most effective Democratic presidents ever, right next to FDR.

And I believe he knows it, too, which is why may be proposing reconciliation with Rahm as the messenger. The HC bill won't be perfect -- we have an imperfect system. But it will be a foundation on which to build future legislation. The reform of the health care system for America will begin at last.

And 30, 50 60 years from now when people look back, I sincerely believe President Obama will be discussed as one of the greatest Presidents along with the congress who drafted and voted for the bills that make it so.

At least it's my hope. And from health care, I hope civil rights gets attention next.

[Mithreal]

144. good news, let's get it done then

[donheld]

146. Proof, Got any?

[IndianaGreen]

148. Rahm Emanuel Personally Pressed Reid To Cut Deal With Lieberman: Sources

Rahm Emanuel Personally Pressed Reid To Cut Deal With Lieberman: Sources

Rahm Emanuel visited Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in his Capitol office on Sunday evening and personally urged him to cut a deal with recalcitrant Sen. Joe Lieberman, two Democratic sources familiar with the situation told the Huffington Post.

Emanuel, President Obama's chief of staff, has long been identified as leading a faction of White House advisers who have been pushing the Senate simply to pass any health care bill, no matter how weak.

His direct message to Reid (D-Nev.), according to a source close to the negotiations: "Get it done. Just get it done."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/14/rahm-emanuel-personally-p_n_391786.html

Emanuel does the President's bidding. That is all!

[budkin]

149. Where the hell did this come from?

[MNDemNY]

151. La-La land.

[chill_wind]

156. "anonymous sources" we like.

Get with it!

[D23MIURG23]

152. I doubt Reid has the balls, but hopefully I'm wrong.

That motherfucker lieberman needs to be put in his place.

[OneGrassRoot]

153. It's 8:00 Tuesday morning.....

Would some kind soul please update me about the latest? What a complete mess...I don't know who is doing what but it sure doesn't feel good this morning. It's feeling very much like we've been punk'd, but I am open to seeing it differently if anyone has a different viewpoint.

Does anyone know anything or is everything still speculation and rumor?

[no limit]

154. I'll believe it when I see it. But I admit, this just made my morning. Thanks.

[chill_wind]

155. CNN - updated that last nite. "Entirely untrue."

UPDATE: A Senate leadership aide tells FDL News that “right now, we are not considering reconciliation,” which of course doesn’t preclude the option in the future.

UPDATE II: CNN has now taken the unusual step of updating this story to say it’s entirely untrue, presumably because of pushback from the people involved.

Updated 6:30 pm last night ET: Earlier today, two sources – one White House and one Senate – indicated White House chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel had suggested to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid the possibility of using budget reconciliation to pass health care. Both sources now tell CNN that Emanuel did not make that suggestion. One of the sources said there had been some recent White House interest in using the reconciliation process. However, the source acknowledged that the idea now appears to be a non-starter. Reid has said he opposes using the legislative maneuver.


more at the link from yesterday:

http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/12/14/rahm-emanuel-hilariously-leaks-that-hes-pushing-reconciliation-but-reid-said-no/

[Zodiak]

161. Yeah, that is what I thought

Rahm, the WH, and the Senate are united in their disdain for the base of the party. They will do nothing at all to dance with the folks that brought them.

The Democrats are losing me, and when I am gone, I am not coming back.

[grahamhgreen]

157. If they simply scuttle the bill and expand medicare to everyone in reconcilliation, we have a winner

[Garam_Masala]

159. Dash my hopes o0ne more time and I might...

jump out of my basement window!

[no limit]

160. Aramchek, did you just make this shit up or what? I can't find any links.

[Capers]

162. rofl

Did you get this from Santa?

[Jack Rabbit]

165. I'll feel a lot better if the public option remains

. . . and Lieberman still gets stripped of his chairmanship.

[niceypoo]

166. By the time this ends...

...it will be whittled down to everybody gets a free band aid, and our premiums will double..

[cherokeeprogressive]

167. Kick.

I just thought this was funny.