Progressives 5 stages of grief

[truthspeak]

Denial: (Ignoring election results). We still have the upper hand here...just go to the people and put "pressure" on the GOP...you'll see, they will surely cave due to the overwhelming public pressure.

Anger: OMG how can he do this?!?!? What a spineless, weak, incompetent wimp he is! I hate this deal!

Bargaining: Ok lets do this alternative plan instead, we still have time...

Depression: Oh its all over...i'm tired...i'm sad...i'm done...i'm not voting for him ever again.

Acceptance: * To be seen *

[phantom power]

1. Acceptance == "Primary Challenge"

[Mist]

2. Acceptance=understanding the rigged nature of the system. nt

[truthspeak]

19. Its been rigged for decades...

can't expect sweeping changes overnight.

[CakeGrrl]

20. Go right ahead and try:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x562602

[phantom power]

21. I'm not quite sure what you're trying to tell me

Is it:

(a) "Howard Dean says no, therefore resistance is futile"
(b) "I think it won't happen, and Howard Dean agrees with me"
(c) "I think you are a purist freak for wanting a primary challenge"
(d) Some other completely different thing

[CakeGrrl]

29. A politician who himself is on DU's primary challenge wish-list is

giving people the benefit of his perspective and experience as a campaigner and former DNC chair.

We have past history to give us indicators of what happens when primary challenges are mounted.

You have current polls that show a much higher percentage of overall Democratic support for the President than the DU trend.

I don't support a primary challenge and I suggest to those who do that they had better be pretty damn sure they can take the challenge beyond kicking out Obama in the primary and taking it all the way to the WH in the General Election, because the consequences will be far worse than the things that have people up in arms now when Republicans retake the Executive Branch.

[Aramchek]

27. you are going to have your little heart broken when no challenger materializes.

Obama will be reelected.
You had better get used to it.

[BlueIris]

35. And you will have your little ego shredded when he doesn't run.

He won't be the nominee and you had better find a better way to deal with it than abusing the posters here.

[emulatorloo]

3. The Denial Part is really troubling to me

I appreciate you articulating it so well.

EDIT error in grammar!

[ClassWarrior]

4. Me too. Because we DO have the upper hand. We still control the...

...Presidency and Senate. Yet we all assume that we've LOST POWER?? WTF?

:crazy:

NGU.

[emulatorloo]

6. I don't assume we've lost power. But we lost an election, we would be in a better position if we

had won it. We've certainly lost the House. It is going to require some pretty sophisticated resistance in 2011 but it can be done.

As to this specific mess, we don't have the votes to pass middle class only tax cuts. Senate tried last saturday, NADA.

[truthspeak]

9. well said.

[ClassWarrior]

10. We don't need votes to at least attempt to change the narrative. And we had a free month...

...before anything changed. That's ticking away now.

NGU.

[emulatorloo]

12. Trust me I am very pissed off Congress didn't start working on this mid-year

[ClassWarrior]

13. Trust me, I am very pissed off Obama didn't start working on this on day one.

He simply needed to advance the moral argument that underlies health care, illegal wars and torture, unemployment benefits, Billionaire Bailouts, and all the rest of our values.

But no, he quickly surrendered his bully pulpit to the Republicon narrative.

NGU.

[treestar]

16. "simply"

:rofl:

Yeah being President is quite "simple" to those who have zero chance of every getting near it.

And you'd complain about his not paying attention to the issues he did pay attention to.

[ClassWarrior]

17. I guess we'll never know what I'd have done or wouldn't have done, since HE DIDN'T EVEN TRY.

NGU.

[emulatorloo]

18. He brought it up at pretty much every town hall he did and most every speech.

[ProudDad]

25. Absolutely true...

I believe it's because he didn't have the moral values so why should he try to advance the moral argument...?

He's an election winning chameleon...

It's why when George Lakoff offered to help the Obama "transition" frame the issues...they blew him off...

[ProudDad]

24. YOU

and the rest of the (I assume you're) Working Class...

Have never and still don't have any "Power" in the corporate-funded USAmerican "government"...

The (s)election in November was just another classic example of the game of switch practiced by the two right-wings of the Corporate War Party...

To keep you asleep...

[RufusTFirefly]

14. Who's "we"?

Read Post 2.

Those Democrats who are falling in line with the Republican agenda aren't being spineless or incompetent. They're simply serving their constituents. And here's a hint: We aren't their constituents.

[Dr.Phool]

28. Or, as George W Bush said, half jokingly.

The haves, and the have-mores....But, I call you my base.

[treestar]

15. The progressives have never controlled anything

Many Democrats are very conservative to the progressives. Ben Nelson, etc. Lieberman is there. That is not Progressive Control of All Things.

And the desire to control one's fellow citizens sounds Republicanish to me.

Power, power, power, power, if only the progressives had all that power! Well they never did. I suspect they do not work as hard as they say they do on elections. Their showing is very poor, and progressivism does not spread in the states where it would need to in order for the progressives to get to control all of the rest of us.

[NV Whino]

5. I'm stuck in the anger stage

I've never hit the other stages, even the first one.

[Demoiselle]

7. This is nothing new.

I've been shuttling between the first four stages of grief since l981. I don't think I'm ever gonna move to "Acceptance." More likely, Vancouver.

[emulatorloo]

11. LOL n/t

Acceptance would make a lovely name for a City.

[JamesA1102]

8. LOL!!! K&R nt

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[ProudDad]

23. Incorrect..here are the actual Progressive 5 stages of Obama grief...

Denial: Maybe Obama will be amenable to unintended consequences as FDR was...especially with those HUGE majorities in both Houses...

Anger: Single-Payer is off the table!!! He's already made a "deal" with the health insurance corporations and Big PhRMA before the bill's even introduced?!?!? He's talking about expanding the WAR(s) while picking up the fucking Nobel Peace Prize!!! We're FUCKED!

Bargaining: Ok. Maybe they'll hold the line on the bush tax give-aways to the rich. Maybe they'll fiddle with some REAL HCR. Maybe they'll grow a couple of vertebrae someday...

Depression: Obama's blaming "the Left"?!?!? Shit, I thought there was something, maybe way deep inside this guy but the way he's talking and acting is fucking depressing...

Acceptance: We were right in '08 (and '04 and '00 and '96 and '92 and '88 and '86 and '84) the democrats are at best wimps and at worst complicit...

"If voting could change anything, they'd make it illegal!"

[mtnsnake]

26. You see, the thing about progressives rush is that we don't give up as fast as you do

We're a persistent lot and we're not going away. BTW, we are perfectly aware of the election results. What you need to realize is that we Democrats held, & still hold, the majority in Congress, at least for the time being, and we're not content to compromise our values just to prolong the moron George Bush's idiotic policies that have put the country on the verge of total collapse.

[truthspeak]

30. Complaining about TEMPORARY tax cuts...

would be "giving up" tho, because some folks act like its a permanent thing and the battle is over forever.

[ProudDad]

34. Bookmarking for 2012

when those "temporary" tax cuts are either extended again or made permanent...

[gmoney]

31. has someone made a "Hitler reacts to Obama's Tax Cut Deal" yet?

These would fit perfectly with the range of emotions Alec Guinness portrays...

Maybe the last one will be "Oh hell, I'll become a Tea-Bagger... at least Christine O'Donnell's kind of cute..."

[Uzybone]

32. unrec...real progressives are made of sterner stuff

internet "progressives" sit and whine amongst each other and conjure up nameless faceless primary challenges.

[truthspeak]

33. "Real" progressives on tv do it too. lol