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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 09:52 AM
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Mitt Romney Comes Out Against Tax Deal
Mitt Romney Comes Out Against Tax Deal
By MICHAEL D. SHEAR

Mitt Romney, the former governor of Massachusetts, on Tuesday added his voice – and a 2012 flavor – to the growing chorus of Republican discontent with the tax compromise the party’s congressional leaders reached with President Obama.

Writing in USA Today on Tuesday, Mr. Romney, a likely leading contender for the Republican presidential nomination in 2012, called the tax compromise “a disappointing agreement” and said the congress should work toward a better solution.

“Because the extension is only temporary, a large portion of the investment and job growth that characteristically accompanies low taxes will be lost,” Mr. Romney writes. “What some are calling a grand compromise is not grand at all, except in its price tag. The total package will cost nearly $1 trillion, resulting in substantial new borrowing at a time when we are already drowning in red ink.”

Much of the media attention about the tax compromise has been the split within the Democratic party, and in particular the anger among liberals with Mr. Obama.

But the growing chasm within the Republican party over the legislation may be more significant as Republicans gear up for a presidential contest next year. Taxes are a core issue for Republicans, and at least right now, there appears to be little consensus about how to judge the deal

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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 09:54 AM
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1. He's only doing this to look "mavericky" for the lemming repuke voters in 2012
Edited on Tue Dec-14-10 09:55 AM by bushisanidiot
He has the political cover to go against his party. count on the tea bagging idiots to flock to him.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:02 AM
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7. yup, hope they don't mind his magic underwear tho nt
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 09:55 AM
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2. Wow, people can oppose a policy from the left AND right? Shades of health care.
NGU.

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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:18 AM
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15. My thoughts exactly.
This will be interesting. Seems many "progressives" line up with the Repuglican front runners on virtually all of President Obama's signature policy achievements - health care reform, financial reform, now the tax deal. I wonder who they will support come November 2012.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:26 AM
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19. No, your thoughts are backwards.
Edited on Tue Dec-14-10 10:27 AM by ClassWarrior
Progressives oppose many of the Prez's policies from the diametrical opposite of the Republicons, proving how tepid, mediocre and largely worthless those policies are.

I know it's complex, but try hard to understand.

NGU.

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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:28 AM
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20. So you oppose them, as do the Repuglicans, only for different reasons...
Ah...

Rught.

:rofl:
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:33 AM
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22. The President opposes equal rights for my people
for the same reasons as say, Sarah Palin does. Exact same reasons, a pile of purist dogmas. Not even different reasons, the exact same reasons. Theological purity.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 11:27 AM
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30. "Your people". You make it sound like you are from another planet.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 05:42 PM
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32. "my people"?
Do you own some population? What's the hell?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:34 AM
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23. If They Were So Tepid How Did They Inspire Such Vocal Opposition?
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:41 AM
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24. The President's religion, which is the basis for his opposition to
equal rights for all, has long passages in which passionate objection to 'lukewarm' and tepid principles are derided for being neither one thing or the other, and one is encouraged to spit such lukewarm thinking out of one's mouth.
So it is common, even in religion, for tepid positions to meet passionate objections.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:54 AM
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27. But the Repubs wouldn't be opposing them if they didn't do anything
Granted, they don't want Government doing ANYTHING to meddle with the so-called "free market" but they wouldn't be so eager to get rid of them if they didn't honestly believed that the policies were "tepid," "mediocre", and "largely worthless". The policies may not be as strong as we think they might be and there's always room for improvement thereof but the Republicans don't generally get worked into a tizzy over meaningless gestures.

Do they? :shrug:
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 09:56 AM
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3. He's right about the tax deal being bad, he's just wrong about the reasons. n/t
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 09:58 AM
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5. Yeah-He Wants To Make Them Permanent
Which is exactly what we will get next month if this bill fails.

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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:04 AM
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8. does Obama have a veto yet?
Can't someone decouple unemployment insurance from tax cuts? Are the Democrats totally inept in things legislative?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:05 AM
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10. Why Would He Veto His Own Bill?
I know his detractors think he's weak but I didn't know they think he's an imbecile.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:07 AM
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12. An imbecile? No. Economically inept? Yes. n/t
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:31 AM
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21. Veto making the tax cuts permanent as suggested will happen next month.
I would hope he would do that. He does have that power.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 11:00 AM
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28. What If They Come Back With The Same Bill That He Supported?
Edited on Tue Dec-14-10 11:01 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
The only thing accomplished by this entire exercise would be that he was rolled by his own party on something he deemed of vital importance. I am trying to think of instances in history where a president was rolled by members of his own party on a matter of this much significance.


And then the ignominy of having to sign the bill after it was passed by a Republican Congress... He would be politically neutered. He would be the de jure president while The Cryer would be the de facto one...
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:06 AM
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11. A party is only as strong as its weakest link, and right now the weakest link is ..............
Obama. People seem to be more worried about keeping Obama in office in 2012 than they are about actually getting something useful done while we hold the office.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:22 AM
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17. Getting something useful done?
You just recommended he veto his own proposed tax cuts (for the middle class). So to do nothing is to do something useful?
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 04:57 PM
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31. Yes, something useful. Vetoing the current bill would be useful, as it
stands right now. The bill is garbage for our long term economic survival, and everyone knows it, although they will not admit it to themselves.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:20 AM
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16. Winning strategy right there.
Vote for me! I vetoed your tax cuts...and opposed your unemployment insurance.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:04 AM
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9. Temporary or permanent doesn't really matter. Any tax breaks for the rich are ..............
are bad news for our future economic growth. It gives the elite no reason to invest in workers and boost employment. They can now continually lay off more workers, demand more from the ones they keep, and make huge sums of money knowing that they will not get taxed.

It's a win situation for the top 2 percent and a very bad deal for the other 98 of us.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:09 AM
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13. You Don't Get An Argument From Me. I'm Justing Telling You What Is Possible.
Edited on Tue Dec-14-10 10:12 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
A man and his son get in a horrific car accident where his son has to have his leg amputated below the knee. The doctor tells him there is no alternative but to amputate the leg below the knee. The man asks the doctor what if they wait a few weeks to see what happens. The doctor says he can pump his son full of anti-biotics but by delaying they might lose the whole leg but they can save part of it if they act now. That's where we are.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 09:56 AM
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4. As Does Sarah Palin
The 2012 Republican presidential candidates desperately want this bill to fail because they know it would wound President Obama politically and the Repubs can get a better bill in a couple of weeks.

How does that simple truth escape us?

We are supposed to be the smart ones...
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 09:59 AM
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6. Self-defense for the anti-Romneycare fire-eating baseheads
Like he wouldn't have jumped for this deal...even they won't be fooled by this.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:15 AM
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14. reading between the lines, it sounds like he's not very confident
that extending the Bush tax cuts will help create jobs.

He's using the same bullshit excuse for corporations to sit on their cash for two more years. He's not figuring job gains into his predicted budgetary shortfalls.

I tend to agree that it won't create jobs, but then what's the argument for extending tax cuts at all - much less making them permanent?
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:25 AM
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18. That guy is such a loser. How long did it take him to figure out what position to take?
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subterranean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:45 AM
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25. As usual, Mitt stands firmly on both sides of the issue.
The tax cuts are bad because they increase the deficit...and we need to make them permanent!
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 10:51 AM
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26. Tax cuts for the rich is really a simple issue
Edited on Tue Dec-14-10 10:55 AM by golfguru
It is widely publicized that half of those earning over 250,000 are small businesses.
Fine. Which means the other half of high earners do not create any direct jobs.

So, let ALL tax cuts for the rich expire and give those who actually employ people,
a tax credit for each employee. Most small business people file on individual basis
and they will all be eligible for the employee credit. Corporations will not.

Problem solved. Businesses will hire more people to get the tax credit, and their
overall tax will not go up. Those rich who just sit on their investments or earn
a high salary (CEO types who do not own the business) can pay more tax.
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Still a Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 11:26 AM
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29. Is this an admission tax cuts increase the deficit?
“What some are calling a grand compromise is not grand at all, except in its price tag. The total package will cost nearly $1 trillion, resulting in substantial new borrowing at a time when we are already drowning in red ink.”

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 10:16 AM
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33. McConnell having issues coralling all of his kittens...mittens.
Edited on Wed Dec-15-10 10:17 AM by Supersedeas
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 10:31 AM
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34. The SOB
He was against health care reform....but never mentioned HE was the one who got public health care reform in Mass. while HE was Gov. BTW...MA. to date offers the best health care than any other state.

Now this? Where was his outrage when Bush originally pushed these cuts through?? WTF

Ya know what though? I blame the people of this great nation. They are way too stupid to know what the hell is really going on. Too busy watching reality TV.

I am so weary of it all
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-10 11:19 AM
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35. A Beltway Media myopically focused on COMPROMISE, just lets this one slide??
Fair and Balanced, I guess.
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