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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 11:40 AM Original message |
Will Obama really end tax cuts for rich in 2012? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
1. He's more likely to run on them imo. nt |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #1 |
10. DEC 10th OBAMA - tax cuts for rich don't create a single job |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. What do tax cuts for the poor do? What about unemployment benefits? |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Tax cuts do nothing to stimulate |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Did you speak out against the "making work pay" tax credit? |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Tax cutting as fiscal policy is a failure |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Democrats have been arguing for years that Middle Class and below need tax relief |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. The CBO say they do not stimulate |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Do you have a link to that CBO report. Seriously I would like to read it. |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Yes |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Thank you! I will take a look at that. |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. Better yet: |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Links are always nice. nt |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 01:06 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Here ya go: |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Hmmm... |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 10:20 PM Response to Reply #22 |
71. How about unemployment benefits? |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. That's what democrats have been saying for years. |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Boggles the mind doesn't it? |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
48. You may find the answers you seek here |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 11:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
77. Ah, but that was "Candidate Obama" |
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yourout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
2. +1....a big ass K&R. |
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ellie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
3. No, of course he won't |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
4. the GOP owns the house in 2012 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Deleted message |
niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. The GOP has been in charge since 2001 |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
41. Ah - but if the economy is doing really well..... |
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demmiblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
5. No. n/t |
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Crazy Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
7. I'm sure he will just as soon as.... |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. bring up the music: |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
9. What a ridiculous chart |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Yes - Tax cuts in this package cost $544.3 Billion. $463 billion of that is for the Middle Class cut |
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OhioBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 11:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
75. why create a bogus chart? |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
12. I assumed he was joking when he said that |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
13. Flat tax no deductions - I bet it will be overhauled completely |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
14. Can't say I think he will. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
16. Obama's moving the goalposts. 2010, 2012, 2014, ad nauseum |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Try in 13 months when the unemployment extension runs out |
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subterranean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 08:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
65. Probably a permanent repeal of the estate tax too. |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
19. No he won't n/t |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
21. The President apparently insisted on the cuts ending in '12 instead of '13.... |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. The 'Bush tax cuts' will be the central issue in 12? |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #23 |
42. They are the Obama tax cuts now. |
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Still a Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
24. The dead enders will love this chart |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. It is pretty blatant, isn't it? |
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Still a Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Blind outrage |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 01:00 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. It feeds a narrative that must be fed, I think, n/t |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #24 |
45. Statistics can be made to say whatever you choose. My college STATS teacher told us that years ago. |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
35. no. nt |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
40. I would not hold my breath waiting for the tax cuts for the rich to disappear. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
44. That chart does not begin to show the long term tragedy that is going to ensue due to the |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 09:04 PM Response to Reply #44 |
66. Obama doesn't want them to scream from the rooftops |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 11:29 PM Response to Reply #44 |
78. Hell, OBAMA'S already calling Social Security an "Entitlement"! |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
47. Nope...These are now PERMANENT.... |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
49. Of course not. |
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TheCowsCameHome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
50. This is a joke, right? |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
51. I'm pretty sure I could make just an impressive and serious 'what if' chart |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. what is the point of posting this? |
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Sheepshank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 08:01 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. the article is patently false...the op is misleading |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
52. He Will Run On Repealing The Tax Cuts For The Rich |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 09:06 PM Response to Reply #52 |
67. Not a hells chance |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
54. k&r nt |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
55. Of course not. They will continue extending it. |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
56. Sure he will. |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
57. Dishonest chart |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 08:11 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. No it's not |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 10:07 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. That's just spin |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 10:31 PM Response to Reply #57 |
72. Why are you selling a payroll tax holiday that we despise, capital investment write offs not tied to |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 11:36 PM Response to Reply #72 |
81. I'm not selling anything |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 11:43 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Not on long term political and ideological goals |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 09:58 AM Response to Reply #82 |
86. That's the point Ezra is not being ideological |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 11:32 PM Response to Reply #57 |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
58. It depends on how often you ride in a turnip truck. n/t |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
59. These cuts are as permanent as |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
62. They should really put the payroll tax holiday in the "what they got" column |
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subterranean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
63. Obama has NOT promised to end the tax cuts after 2012. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 11:33 PM Response to Reply #63 |
80. Gee, he could have begun fighting against them in 2009... |
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egoclothes (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
64. I rather doubt that. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
68. No, and this may be one of the reasons he might lose re-election. If unemployment stays .......... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
70. If the country is ever on the brink of going into default we're going to have to tax them eventually |
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sad sally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 11:58 PM Response to Reply #70 |
83. Nailed it! The new Republican House majority will hold up any/all |
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WiffenPoof (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
73. I Don't Know... |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
74. no |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-10 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
76. Not a chance in hell! They will either be extended or made permanent in 2012/2013 |
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subterranean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 01:14 AM Response to Reply #76 |
84. Part of "alternative energy" is ethanol subsidies. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 01:18 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. That's right! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-17-10 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
87. Congress makes laws in this country |
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