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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 07:35 PM
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The Senate should bring back the public option or it should be included in conference
From early November:

The House Public Plan: Yes, It's Worth It

Jacob S. Hacker and Diane Archer

Jacob S. Hacker is the Stanley B. Resor Professor of Political Science at Yale University, author of The Great Risk Shift: The New Economic Insecurity and the Decline of the American Dream, and an occasional contributor to The Treatment.

Diane Archer is the director of the Health Care Project at the Institute for America's Future and the founder and past president of the Medicare Rights Center.



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The public plan is also critical to reform as a cost and quality benchmark, one that is particularly crucial if private premiums accelerate upwards. The insurance industry has threatened that premiums will skyrocket if an individual mandate is not tough enough. It may be an idle threat, but if a final reform bill ends up looking more like the Senate Finance bill than the House bill, it might not be. In most local markets, competition is likely to be anemic, and regulation of insurers inadequate. There will be little to prevent insurers from raising rates as they have threatened.

Having a public plan in place should also help keep down the rate of growth of health insurance premiums over time. Over the past twenty years, the public Medicare plan has had a substantially slower rate of growth than private insurance. The CBO report on the House bill states that private insurers are better at controlling utilization than a public plan would be. But, to date private insurers have failed to prove their value at cost control and demonstrated they have strong incentives to delay and deny needed care rather than drive efficiencies in the system.

And remember: If the private plans continue to misbehave, drive up costs excessively, and otherwise engage in practices that are detrimental to our health security, Congress can later decide to strengthen the public plan and give it greater leverage to rein in costs and serve as a check on private insurers. Creating a public plan down the road is not realistic; that's one reason we seriously doubt any proposal to trigger the public plan would really work. Strengthening an existing public plan would be a far more likely prospect, especially if the public plan is proving its value in the market, as we believe it will.

What’s more, as far as payment and delivery system innovations are concerned, the public plan is really the only tool available for testing and implementing reforms in the market for the non-elderly. Private plans are notorious for keeping their innovations private--when they have them--and have little financial incentive to improve health care if it will not increase their bottom line. Yes, we can continue to rely on the public Medicare plan to test innovations. But working families have somewhat different needs, and it seems appropriate to pursue delivery and payment reforms more broadly, through both Medicare and a public plan focused on those younger than 65.

In short, it’s no time to be despondent about the fate of the public insurance option. For sure, pegging rates to Medicare and obligating Medicare providers to accept these rates would be far preferable, and a public plan with negotiated rates may do less to keep the insurers honest and drive down costs. But it’s still immensely valuable to give Americans an out--another choice--to let the insurers feel the heat of not being the only game in town. The fierce and continuing opposition of the insurance industry suggests that they think that a public option will prove a serious counterweight in an increasingly consolidated private market. The overwrought pessimism of the pundit class should not aid them in their cause of protecting themselves from a public-spirited competitor.

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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 07:39 PM
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1. We will get a shit-bill at best.
shit bill must be killed.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 08:11 PM
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2. The public option is the best
Once it has been created it's there to be improved. Such an initiative will not be revisited for a long time, if ever.

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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 08:13 PM
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3. It will not be in the bill.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 08:14 PM
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4. It will not be in the Senate bill, but it could still be included in conference. n/t
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 08:25 PM
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6. You really are clueless, aren't you.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 08:33 PM
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7. No, just not prone to making stupid predictions. n/t
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 08:35 PM
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8. That is a stupid one.
Public option!!!!!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 08:38 PM
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9. I notice you stopped posting your Nelson/Stupak meme in every thread.
Why?

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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 08:40 PM
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10. Oh, it may well come back, before long.
We have so little else to give in to now.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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WyldRogue Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 08:47 PM
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11. ???
The public option was dropped but you're saying that it's coming back??

Not sure where you get your info but PO was put out to pasture by Obama and the Dems long ago during the so called Town Hall meetings....
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 08:48 PM
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12. It was dropped from the Senate bill. It is still in the House bill and both bills
are going to be merged in conference.

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WyldRogue Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 08:52 PM
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13. Time will tell....
... if you are correct. I do hope you're right but the way things have gone and the directions our elected leaders decided to take makes me doubt any good will come out with this new capitulated HCR bill
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 08:15 PM
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5. And again, how do you count to 60? nt
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 11:08 PM
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14. Sherrod Brown seems hopeful....
.... since I'll presume he's not stupid, he's either overly optimistic, or knows something we dont.

(And since it's more costly for him to claim that we could still ultimately get it and NOT be able to deliver, I'll presume it's the later.)

I'm not sure how we could get 60 votes THEN but not now, but that presumes that Joe Lieberman is capable of using logic as his guide.
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