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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 01:53 PM
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DOMA Is Next
I think Anthony Kennedy will want to be on the right side of history when DOMA eventually makes it to the Supreme Court and provide the crucial fifth vote...
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 02:00 PM
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1. Yes, Full equality for all. nt
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 02:03 PM
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2. Please let it be so.
It's past time!
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 02:09 PM
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3. What Cases Are In The Lower Courts?
There has to be a case for the SC to give cert...
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 02:13 PM
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4. Prop 8 of course
There's a case in MA about same-sex marriages can't get Fed benefits and therefore that's unconstitutional.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 03:37 PM
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16. Filed by...
Our very own Martha Coakley! She may have lost her Senate bid, but she is a great Attorney General. (Not that I wouldn't much rather have her working for this type of legislation in the Senate.)
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 02:24 PM
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5. I doubt it. This lame duck session can't do everything. It's going to take a new presidential
election to do this.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 02:29 PM
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6. This is not something legislative, but the Supreme Court declaring the law unconstitutional
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 02:35 PM
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7. That's even less likely at least with this court.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 02:44 PM
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11. Right Now It's 4-4-1
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 03:26 PM
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15. Right - and your's op is correct that it will rest with Kennedy
It is interesting that Many state's rights advocates (the Republicans ) will be arguing against the right of the state of MA to define marriage.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 02:36 PM
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8. We might have to wait close to 6 years but Obama put this on his plate.
And I think he's gonna come through.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 02:37 PM
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9. The Supreme Court is outside the lame duck session and future Repig Overlords n/t
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 02:37 PM
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10. Of course. Obama already said this will be repealed under him.
I'm looking forward to it.
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 02:46 PM
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12. The only way I see that happening is if he's reelected
and we get control of the House again, otherwise, he won't have much to do with it unless he tells the DOJ not to fight any court cases involving DOMA.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 02:47 PM
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13. Can't do that...DOMA is law. It;s required.
I say we work to give him that all Dem House.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 03:07 PM
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14. Even If DOMA Was Repealed States Could Still Ban Gay Marriages
That's why we need a court decision or an amendment and it will take decades to get the latter.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 03:41 PM
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17. How many times do we have to put this meme to rest? It's not required for any administration to
defend a law if the sitting president believes the law to be unconstitutional.

If the DoJ under Obama's administration defends challenges to this law, it will be strictly for political reasons.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:36 PM
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20. Because it is true with a few exceptions
Wanting something to be so does not make it so.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:37 PM
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21. If there are exceptions, then there is not always a requiement. n/t
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:27 PM
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19. Not a chance of DOMA repeal getting through Congress.
It will be the courts, or it will be a wait of at least a decade--certainly until the next point of unified Democratic control, and maybe not even then (as we've seen these past two years.)
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agentS Donating Member (922 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:11 PM
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18. If we're going to get this done legislatively, then we'll need the people in place to do it
We're going to need 70 democratic senators and a 70 seat majority in the House, 75% public approval, and a fifth judge on the Supreme Court. And even THEN it will pass by the skin of the teeth.

Guess we better get started...this could take a decade or more.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 12:14 AM
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22. Civil Unions would be more practical.
Until 20 years from now, when principle will out.
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