Kos: Kill the health bill

[mcablue]

The generally supportive of health reform Markos Moulitsas (Kos), says via Twitter:

Insurance companies win. Time to kill this monstrosity coming out of the Senate.

http://twitter.com/markos/status/6679156993

[emulatorloo]

1. Liebermann has it under control, he'll kill it real good.

[styersc]

2. Kill the Bill!!!

Removing Lieberman from Charimanships and then from the Senate is the next step.

[Joe Bacon]

3. And the Supreme Court will finish the job

Just wait till the teabaggers file a court challenge to whatever comes out of the Congress. Roberts and his fellow Federalists just can't wait to gut the bill further.

[babylonsister]

4. I sure wish Kos would let us all know what the final product

will look like after conference; it might die with Progressives in the House.

Me, I'd like to know what I'm killing first.

[ananda]

5. This bill is definitely worse than nothing.

Women's healthcare is under attack from all sides now,
that's for sure!

[customerserviceguy]

6. Yep, it's time to stop doing CPR

on Frankenstein's monster. If President Obama takes the political hit for it, so be it, he sat back and let Congress make sausage out of this, rather than leading with a set of proposals that he and his team would fight for.

[DrToast]

7. I'm certainly pissed off, but I think he's making a mistake

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[cali]

12. We don't need this. No, really we don't. Alerted.

[PDittie]

19. suppose I shoulda posted a winkie

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[Mass]

9. Yes, this is obviously going to help us a lot.

The bill is largely inadequate, but it helps some people: people with preexisting conditions, women who cannot be overcharged just for the fact of being women, people who get sick and will not be able to be thrown out of their insurance, people earning less that 400 % of poverty ...

So, as inadequate as it is, it deserves to be passed for these people, and I guess that kos does not belong to any of these groups. Or does he propose to drop his own healthcare insurance in solidarity to all these people to whom he refuses a chance to get one.

There is nothing wrong being furious of the way things turned out. Democrats in general (and the leadership in the Senate in particular) have a lot to be blamed for and they should be targeted in primary (we must remember that the rational for keeping Lieberman is that he would help!). So, a big chunk of blame goes to them, and this includes progressives as much as conservatives.

But there is a reason for people like Brown and Whitehouse as well as Sanders to want to get this bill out of the Senate. As bad as it is, this bill, and the bill likely to get out of conference, helps people.

Now, if kos wants to be useful, finding a primary opponent to Reid could be a start. But remember kos loves Reid and has been defending him again and again.

[jefferson_dem]

11. You post sense.

Kos can be too cute for his/our own good sometimes.

[Faryn Balyncd]

16. I think I would agree with you if it wasn't for the mandate.

The mandate can only be justified with a fair social compact.

The de facto compact embodied in the Senate bill is not just, and is a recipe for disaster.

Any temporary benefits to some will be quickly overwhelmed by the consequences of such a perverse law.

[Strelnikov_]

21. All one has to do is read the posts in the thread here regarding the cost

for the Medicare buy-in. Basically, outrage over $700/mo., which is probably less than what the mandated insurance will cost.

Mandating purchase of private insurance is a propaganda coup for the right. And without guarding the flank by offering a public (non-profit) option this bill could well become the Democrats Waterloo, Tannenberg, Dunkirk . . oops . . the Brits recovered from Dunkirk, not that one.

[DCBob]

10. Joe and the Repubs will comply with that request..

:(

[BeyondGeography]

13. Who's Kos?

[DCBob]

15. How can you not be familiar with Daily Kos???

http://www.dailykos.com/

[mcablue]

20. One of the pioneers, if not THE pioneer, of the liberal blogosphere n/t

[BeyondGeography]

24. I think post #23 describes him better

[Strelnikov_]

14. Agree. The Reichpublicans will be running 'mandate' ads 30 min

after the bill passes. It's a set up.

Turn it on them. Kill the bill by including a public option, let the Republicans filibuster.

[Faryn Balyncd]

17. Agreed. Forcing the GOP to filibuster & defeat a GOOD bill is only way to an eventual good outcome.

[Strelnikov_]

18. ..

(abort - temporary reading comprehension failure)

[S_E_Fudd]

22. I'm not a big Kos fan normally....

But in this case he is correct. This bill is nothing more than a huge, permanent giveaway to insurance companies who provide no service other than to line their pockets with money skimmed from the sick and dying!

[zulchzulu]

23. This pathetic dose of Utopian Purist Asshattery brought to you by...

...people who would rather throw the baby out with the bath water. Or people who would rather have their pony and fuck anyone else who might benefit from the incremental health care reform that anyone with 64 working neurons in their brain knew would happen in the first place...

Kos, again, is an ass.

[WeDidIt]

25. I stand with Markos n/t

[Phx_Dem]

26. There go the batshit crazy progressives.

Too bad we can't do the same thing to progressioves that they want to do to health care reform, figuratively of course.