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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 08:53 PM
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Glenn Greenwald calls out everyone on Daley's selection to be WH CoS
Edited on Fri Jan-07-11 08:54 PM by ProSense

Daley is a reflection, not a cause

By Glenn Greenwald

Few things interest me less at this point than royal court personnel changes. I actually agree with the pro-Obama/Democratic-Party-loyal commentators who insist it doesn't much matter who becomes White House Chief of Staff because it's Obama who drives administration policy. Obama didn't do what he did in the first two years because Rahm Emanuel was his Chief of Staff. That view has the causation reversed: he chose Emanuel for that position because that's who Obama is. Similarly, installing JP Morgan's Midwest Chairman, a Boeing director, and a long-time corporatist -- Bill Daley -- as a powerful underling replacing Emanuel isn't going to substantively change anything Obama does. It's just another reflection of the Obama presidency, its priorities and concerns, and its overarching allegiances.

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But I do find the angry reaction from some progressives to be somewhat perplexing (even though I agree with the substance of their critique and am glad they're voicing it). On one level -- the most superficial one -- the Daley appointment seems very strange. Think about this: leading progressive voices -- including MoveOn and, in a very hard-hitting segment last night, Rachel Maddow (video below) -- have vociferously condemned the Daley choice. By contrast, the most enthusiastic reactions came from JP Morgan Chairman Jamie Dimon (who first suggested Daley), the Chamber of Commerce, the Third Way, and Karl Rove. Beyond that, Daley was an outspoken opponent -- in public -- of two of Obama's most prominent legislative items: health care reform and the financial regulation bill's consumer protection agency. Why, angry progressives seem to be asking, would Obama ignore the views of his so-called "progressive base" while seeking to please those who are his political adversaries?

But it's perfectly rational for Obama to do exactly that. There's a fundamental distinction between progressives and groups that wield actual power in Washington: namely, the latter are willing (by definition) to use their resources and energies to punish politicians who do not accommodate their views, while the former unconditionally support the Democratic Party and their leaders no matter what they do. The groups which Obama cares about pleasing -- Wall Street, corporate interests, conservative Democrats, the establishment media, independent voters -- all have one thing in common: they will support only those politicians who advance their agenda, but will vigorously oppose those who do not. Similarly, the GOP began caring about the Tea Party only once that movement proved it will bring down GOP incumbents even if it means losing a few elections to Democrats.

That is exactly what progressives will never do. They do the opposite; they proudly announce: we'll probably be angry a lot, and we'll be over here doing a lot complaining, but don't worry: no matter what, when you need us to stay in power (or to acquire it), we're going to be there to give you our full and cheering support. That is the message conveyed over and over again by progressives, no more so than when much of the House Progressive Caucus vowed that they would never, ever support a health care bill that had no robust public option, only to turn around at the end and abandon that vow by dutifully voting for Obama's public-option-free health care bill. That's just a microcosm of what happens in the more general sense: progressives constantly object when their values and priorities are trampled upon, only to make clear that they will not only vote for, but work hard on behalf of and give their money to, the Democratic Party when election time comes around.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 09:08 PM
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 09:37 PM
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 09:40 PM
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3. Poor Glenn.
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pmorlan1 Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 09:45 PM
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4. Great Greenwald Piece
I disagree with you that Greenwald called out everyone. I think you might want to read the piece again and if the shoe fits...
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 10:58 PM
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7. I was laughing because of the irony
Greenwald admits that the CoS means less than the hype, but he resorts to taunting, the very activity he apparently despises, while claiming to be perplexed by the "angry progressives."



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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 09:53 PM
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5. I dont find the angry reaction from some progressives perplexing ...
Edited on Fri Jan-07-11 09:53 PM by Clio the Leo
... I find it tiresome.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 10:55 PM
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6. Well, as long as Jamie Dimon and the COC are happy
that's really all that matters.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 11:47 PM
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 12:03 AM
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10. Hmmmm?
Edited on Sat Jan-08-11 12:03 AM by ProSense
"It is not an attack on progressives, but a call for them to finally stand up the the hypocrisy of this administration. You just couldn't resist, could you?"

Maybe you should respond to the OPs instead of trying to guess what other posters are thinking.

And the article does call out several people.

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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 12:56 AM
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13. You're confusing your replies again. Check who you are responding to.
I didn't say anything about it not calling out people.

I did respond to the article. I said it was a call for progressives to stand up to the hypocrisy of this administration. That is how I read it. Surely you have read more Greenwald than just this one article. Doing so would help you understand where he is coming from. This article is an attack on the corporate whoring of the administration. This is what Greenwald is thinking. Read more of his stuff and you would not have to guess where he is coming from.

You call on me to respond to the article, but you don't do that yourself. You just cut and paste. So did you agree with Greenwald's characterization of the Obama presidency? Did you post it because you agreed with Greenwald? Now if you actually said something about the things you cut and paste, you would have some stance in fussing that someone doesn't respond to the OP. As it is, you are complaining about behavior in others that doesn't exist in them, but does in you.

Would you care to comment on the article?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 01:06 AM
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15. "You call on me to respond to the article, but you don't do that yourself."
I did: laughter (and the title)

"So did you agree with Greenwald's characterization of the Obama presidency?"

No, which I pointed out here. It's taunting, typical Greenwald.

Did you agree with his claim that "it doesn't much matter who becomes White House Chief of Staff"

Did you agree with this: "That is exactly what progressives will never do. They do the opposite; they proudly announce: we'll probably be angry a lot, and we'll be over here doing a lot complaining, but don't worry: no matter what, when you need us to stay in power (or to acquire it), we're going to be there to give you our full and cheering support. "

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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 05:29 AM
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20. Hey, they post a lot of stuff, they can't read it all.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 11:58 PM
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9. I trust Rachel over Karl Rove.
I wouldn't trust the NAFTA czar being in a closed-door negotiation with the thugs.
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Ramulux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 12:17 AM
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12. Great article
He basically calls out progressives for being wimps who unconditionally support the democratic party even though we constantly complain and threaten to withhold our vote.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 01:02 AM
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14. So I guess the OP is calling for progressives
to withhold votes in 2012.
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kimsarah Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 01:53 AM
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16. I'm afraid
Glenn is dead right. Obama has shown time and again that if progressives don't like what he does, screw them. It's taken us this long to finally realize that he ain't going to change. So what to do? Either eat shit and go along with him, or stand firm on beliefs and follow through. I don't accept the B.S. that his actions are the lesser of two evils (the GOP), and therefore that's what we get. Any good principle is worth fighting for, and the progressives' positions on everything from the wars, Wall Street reform, health reform, privacy, Social Security, education, employment and workers' rights are, in fact, mainstream. Those principles should not be abandoned for the sake of appeasing the right for their power, money and votes. Their positions are not mainstream. They are extreme.
Sorry for babbling, but it's clear that something must be done to back up our principles. It may mean temporary losses and disruption, but we need to organize (perhaps a progressive union) and stick together. All for one and one for all.
Our forefathers did not want to revolt against British tyranny, but finally had no choice. They endured heavy losses and times of desperation. But they prevailed because they were unified and were right.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 05:18 AM
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19. Interesting. I have a wait and see attitude about Daley.
President Obama is not the rough and tough type of guy. It's possible he has hired on somebody who can help him turn things around.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 06:28 AM
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21. Where's the humor?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 08:27 AM
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22. Why do the progressives feel so entitled to order others around?
Why do non-progressives owe them? Everyone works to get the election won, yet the progressives are the only ones threatening to bail if they are not delivered everything they want wrapped up in a bow. Why is what we who are more moderate do not count? Why are our values to be ignored while the progressives whine theirs are "trampled upon?"

They are seeming to be not worth it. Let them join some third party. They are never happy anyway.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 08:45 AM
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23. I fully agree with Greenwald.
The Progressive Caucus is a joke.

-Laelth
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 11:23 AM
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24. great article, k & r
but why the rolling on the floor laughing?
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