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Wed Jan-26-11 11:45 AM
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Why are Deaniacs more anti-Obama than Dean himself? |
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It seems to me Dean's most ardent supporters are pretty critical of Obama while Dean himself is a pretty strong supporter of Obama.
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The Velveteen Ocelot
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:46 AM
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1. I suspect some have a vision of Dean as being something other than |
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what he really is. Dean was never a flaming progressive.
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:51 AM
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4. yes, there is a lot of projection going on I think n/t |
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:06 PM
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Edited on Wed Jan-26-11 12:10 PM by Kurovski
Something president Obama often has said about him, but it just as often appears to others that he is not.
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Wed Jan-26-11 01:22 PM
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21. I was going to post the same, but you already nailed it. n/t |
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:46 AM
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2. Oh don't worry they'll abandon Dean |
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pretty soon, they just have to find another guy to get behind first. It's not like many of them would be willing to lead themselves.
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:49 AM
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3. Dean is like an elementary particle, under the bus and not under the bus. |
The Velveteen Ocelot
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:52 AM
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5. Schroedinger's Former Presidential Candidate? |
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:11 PM
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9. Hehe, that's even better! Love it. |
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Wed Jan-26-11 01:28 PM
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23. so do you subscribe to the CopenhaDean interpretation |
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or the Many-Deans interpretation of Deanum Mechanics?
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:01 PM
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6. Looking in versus looking out |
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Dean is basically playing the insiders game, or at least trying to be one. He's chosen to play the game. Most of the people to which you allude have given up and are looking from the outside in.
It's a matter of perspective.
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:08 PM
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8. Thanks for saying something that rings true... |
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and without being a passive-aggressive snit about it. I can't tell you how much I appreciate that.
Thank you for being honest without playing emotional sides.
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:15 PM
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10. Dean criticized Obama once and became a left wing hero |
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I guess they did not realize that meant Dean would at other times agree with Obama. They started the primary campaign without Dean's consent.
Then Bernie Sanders came along and took that role for a little while.
Grayson had it too for a bit.
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Wed Jan-26-11 01:01 PM
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15. Dean was around and about well before Obama. |
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But anything to keep swinging that little machete through DU.
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:29 PM
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11. I really like Dr Dean. He is one |
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Edited on Wed Jan-26-11 12:30 PM by Autumn
of my favorites, but,I think for myself. That comes from my Momma asking me if I was going to jump off a bridge if my friends did. That answer was always No. I learned a lot from my Mom. I will never support someone based on whether someone else supports them. My support is earned not given.
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Wed Jan-26-11 05:49 PM
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:33 PM
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12. Because Dean's supporters have always made him out as something he's not |
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He's taken to be a very liberal "anti-corporate" Democrat despite being fairly middle of the road on most issues, and even almost conservative on a few. I suppose it's because he sounds angry when he talks in public sometimes, which makes people feel better.
The most bizarre one that has popped up lately is this apparently widespread belief on DU that for the years he was chairman, the Democratic party was much less "corporatist" (whatever that means), which those who believe that take to be responsible for the electoral victories in '04 and '08.
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:51 PM
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13. That's a remarkably broad brush. |
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Edited on Wed Jan-26-11 12:58 PM by Kurovski
It's presumptuous and rude, and part of it is technically incomprehensible.
Emotional bullying is no way to gather anyone to your cause, whatever that cause may be. And what your cause is, is not particularly clear here.
"Corporatist" may in part mean being amenable to allowing corporations to write their own regulations, go unpunished for crimes, or even changing laws so that crime is no longer an issue. It can also mean taking management's side over labor one too many times. It is surprising to me that you would "wonder" about that word.
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:56 PM
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14. Dean has decided to stand with the party leaders, right or wrong. |
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I have decided to stand up for issues I believe in, like public education. He is not going to say or do anything to hurt the president. Therefore, anything the president does will be all right with him.
That is his choice.
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Wed Jan-26-11 01:07 PM
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17. people can disagree with Dean and still like him. I think |
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many here are projecting their black and white thinking on others.
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Wed Jan-26-11 01:12 PM
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18. I think he took the easy way out. |
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Wed Jan-26-11 01:44 PM
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24. Dean has always advocated change from the INSIDE of the party. |
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We are so far to the right these days, that you can't even SUGGEST progressive change.
(Not that Dean is an "insider"....)
Only bank bailouts as far as the eye can see.
Cover-ups and more expensive and spectacular invisible suits for the Emperor.
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Wed Jan-26-11 01:06 PM
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16. I think you are off with your generalizations. |
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Many of those you label ardent Dean supporters are in fact issue supporters, and have supported Dean's positions, as they were most closely in line with.
That Obama doesn't support the same position on important issues does not make them anit-Obama either.
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Wed Jan-26-11 01:15 PM
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19. Because Howard Dean is reasonable and capable of empathy for the realities of the political climate. |
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Wed Jan-26-11 01:21 PM
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20. Why do people think "Deaniacs" are mindless drones who agree with everything Dean utters? |
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Answer: Because that's what they were told by the DLC.
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Wed Jan-26-11 01:26 PM
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22. You had to go and say those three little letters... |
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dincha? :D :hi:
Long time no see.
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Wed Jan-26-11 01:47 PM
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26. They really won the day with their Hobson's Choice in 2008.... |
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I don't know why they bothered... except if McCain hadn't of chosen Palin as a running-mate, maybe he would have run as a "moderate" and pulled votes from Clinton.
:hi:
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Wed Jan-26-11 06:43 PM
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31. Thank you. What an idiotic OP. (n/t) |
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Wed Jan-26-11 01:45 PM
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25. Dean lost me on hi NY mosque position, but I was never really a Deaniac. |
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Although, he's still a lot better than Obama.
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Wed Jan-26-11 06:05 PM
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28. Hmm. Helpful suggestion. Starting a thread with "Deaniacs" is not going |
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to elicit any real helpful discourse.
Please come back when you're ready to discuss things like an adult.
BTW: Generalizations are also a cautionary sign of sloppy thinking.
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Wed Jan-26-11 06:06 PM
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29. What are the metrics? How anti-Obama is Dean? |
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If he is the standard, what are the expressions of this opposition you claim he has to Obama. I see the Republicans as anti-Obama. I see Dean as having issues with some of the administration's policies.
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Wed Jan-26-11 06:36 PM
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I applaud Dean's Team Player attitude and agree with his comments on most things.
Please don't lump us all together!
Julie
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